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Question Illustrator PMS color has differing CMYK percentages depending on File

Discussion in 'Adobe' started by Brennen, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. Brennen

    Brennen Member

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    Ok, so here's my dilemma. I have CC open with two different files side by side. Same PMS color 369 is chosen for each and yet they appear different. Checking the CMYK percentages shows each file has them set differently. My document mode, color settings are the same in both files. Any idea why this is showing them differently? I tried printing to see if they truly were and they print different. I am at a loss...
     
  2. bannertime

    bannertime "You guys do banners, right?"

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    Do either match the PMS book?
     
  3. VanderJ

    VanderJ Merchant Member - Printer Parts and Sevice

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    What happens when you copy one object from the 1st file and paste it in the second?
     
  4. Brennen

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    One of them is very very close yes...I just do not understand why when setting up different jobs and selecting the same PMS color it give different CMYK percentages which in turn makes the hue different
     
  5. Brennen

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    It switched it to the percentages of the file its pasted on
     
  6. VanderJ

    VanderJ Merchant Member - Printer Parts and Sevice

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    That's what I thought. Something has to be different about the files. Is one an EPS and one A PDF or something like that?
     
  7. Brennen

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    Obviously I just did that to get my color printed for the job now but I am still confused as to why its doing that? I also want to figure it out so when other designers here set something up they know what to look for so it doesn't happen again...Plus I was fortunate enough with this job to have several different files to compare as its a large client.
     
  8. Brennen

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    Both are .eps files
     
  9. VanderJ

    VanderJ Merchant Member - Printer Parts and Sevice

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    Weird. I'll be watching this one!
     
  10. bannertime

    bannertime "You guys do banners, right?"

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    Okay, long shot. Are you selecting colors from two different pantone books in the Illustrator color books?
     
  11. Brennen

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    Document Mode: CMYK
    Workspace: RGB (1998) / U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2
    Engine: Adobe (ACE)
    Intent: (Saturation)
    Use Black Point Compensation
    Preserve Embedded Profiles

    These match for both files
     
  12. Brennen

    Brennen Member

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    Both are from the solid coated pantone book
     
  13. Brennen

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    There doesn't appear to be anything different in any settings from each other. The settings are what we've been using since we switched to CC. Never had this happen before.
     
  14. bannertime

    bannertime "You guys do banners, right?"

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    Okay what about the object itself. Are there an opacities, effects, transparencies, overlays, etc? The spot color is at 100% before converting. Anything about the object itself? It could be that something accidentally got bumped.
     
  15. OADesign

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    Question:
    Did you create files from scratch? Or Client supplied?
    Just adding my 2 pennies here, but I have a client once send me a set of files to use a a color base. I looked at the color call outs and built my art using those Pantone values. What we found out later, is there designer took some "close" CMYK values and saved them as spots with the same names. So my prints, with default values from illy color palettes looked completely different than theirs...
    Yes, I had to reprint. On our dime...

     
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  16. White Haus

    White Haus Formally known as RJPW..........

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    I would be looking into this - we work with a designer that insists on using transparencies on EVERYTHING which makes using the color picker give all sorts of random CMYK values.

    You may have tried/mentioned this already, but what if you create a new blank box and pick that same PMS swatch by going through the PMS chart - which values does it use?
     
  17. Brennen

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    So there are no transparencies added, no effects, no hidden layers. I am attaching a photo of the files side by side. I set both of these up. If I create an entirely new file it uses the % that are used on the right side. So somehow the left is what is goofy. The left is also the older file from 2 years ago. Not sure if the newest version of CC has anything to do with it or not. I opened these same files in CS3 to compare and its the same color difference. I am at a loss. I just hope to figure it out so I can let the other designers here know about it. Thanks for everyone helping out.

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  18. Reveal1

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    I'm interested in the outcome because we've had the same issues. I can't be sure, but I think this may be a Pantone issue. They change the CMYK values with each new book. I believe they license their library to Adobe which uses the existing library in effect at the time. I looked up 369C in our old colorbridge coatted book and values are 67/0/98/0. The values in our most recent book are 68/0/100/0. So depending on which CC version the file was created it seems you will get two slightly different colors.
     
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  19. Brennen

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    That's interesting...It would make sense then. The job from 2 years ago not matching the one from this week. That would be CC16 and CC18 giving different colors for the same PMS #. I had not realized that this happened but so far I think that's the best explanation.

    So I just opened CS3 and that PMS 369 %s are different still from these other two...I think you are correct in the cause of this dilemma. That is incredibly frustrating as we have clients that date back years and simpy reprint the old jobs as well as create new ones. This is good to know and will solve some headaches I am sure.

    THANKS!!!
     
  20. TravinFlavin

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    Do both Pantones have the same color code? ex. 369 C vs 369 CV or 369 U
     
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