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Question Multi-Layered Printing?

Boudica

Boudica

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Got a project coming up, and I need to find out if it's possible to do multi-layered printing: color/white/color. Printing will be on clear - these are going in window panels. They want to see the graphic from both sides, but also want the graphics to be more opaque than just printing on clear.

My white ink capabilities are an HP Scitex FB550 and an Epson S80600. RIP is Onyx thrive

1. is this possible?
2. can anyone direct me on how to set this up?

Pease and Franks :)
 
Notarealsignguy

Notarealsignguy

Arial - it's almost helvetica
I don't know how you would align it or set it up but it should be possible. It'd be like a reverse print for a window, print color, flood white or laminate with white vinyl and then print over top of that for your second side... I think?
 
WYLDGFI

WYLDGFI

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If you have White ink on your FB...it depends if you have 3 layer capabilities on it. I know on our AGFA printer we do multi layer all the time.
 
Bly

Bly

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We do it all the time on our Arizona.
The simplest way is to just select the layered option in Onyx and select colour/white/colour option.
It's great for backlit prints.
 
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Val47

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Bly said:
We do it all the time on our Arizona.
The simplest way is to just select the layered option in Onyx and select colour/white/colour option.
It's great for backlit prints.
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What version of Onyx? can you show me a screen shot of where that setting is?
 
Bly

Bly

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Any version.
The profile is Quality Layered.
Once the file is ripped right click on the job > edit > printer settings > define layers > CMYK - White spot data OR White Flood - CMYK
If you pick white spot data then you need a Spot 1 layer in the file with overprint turned on.
 
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Val47

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Notarealsignguy said:
I don't know how you would align it or set it up but it should be possible. It'd be like a reverse print for a window, print color, flood white or laminate with white vinyl and then print over top of that for your second side... I think?
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but, the area between the graphics needs to be clear. It's for a Library, I haven't seen the artwork yet, but my understanding is a bunch of floating graphics - books, worms, emojies... don't know, but they have artwork floating around, and contour cut graphics won't work. It's got to be solid vinyl install (clear on the in-betweens), and the graphics are two sided, but opaque. So... color/white/ color - in AREAS/Spots. The rest is clear. but not necessarily optically clear. that part isn't my problem/task at hand. I need to figure out how to produce it.
 
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Val47

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Bly said:
Any version.
The profile is Quality Layered.
Once the file is ripped right click on the job > edit > printer settings > define layers > CMYK - White spot data OR White Flood - CMYK
If you pick white spot data then you need a Spot 1 layer in the file with overprint turned on.
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Thanks Bly! So, in setting up the artwork... do I need two layers of color? I know how to set-up white flood, but sandwiching the white layer is where I need the most help

Edit: is that part included with this "Quality Layered" profile? ...don't believe I have it, and how do I get it?
 
Bly

Bly

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Val47 said:
Thanks Bly! So, in setting up the artwork... do I need two layers of color? I know how to set-up white flood, but sandwiching the white layer is where I need the most help

Edit: is that part included with this "Quality Layered" profile? ...don't believe I have it, and how do I get it?
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No it just uses the same data for both layers.
If you don't have that profile for your white ink printer then maybe the printer doesn't support it.
Best check with your rip vendor or company it guy.
 
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Val47

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Bly said:
No it just uses the same data for both layers.
If you don't have that profile for your white ink printer then maybe the printer doesn't support it.
Best check with your rip vendor or company it guy.
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So... do you think this is a profile I could find for the Espon? You mentioned a different printer earlier. I know that I don't have all the same options with every printer I have installed in Onyx...
 
Bly

Bly

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Val47 said:
So... do you think this is a profile I could find for the Espon? You mentioned a different printer earlier. I know that I don't have all the same options with every printer I have installed in Onyx...
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We don't have white in our Epson.
Someone else here should be able to help with that.
 
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Val47

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K, Thanks for your input! Not at work right now, but I will look into the settings tomorrow, and that profile.
 
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signheremd

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Another option, if you don't have the ability to print color/white/color, is to print color with white, then send a second file to print color only. We used to print on glass all the time on our old CET and would send one file with color and a spot color, printing as overspot to leave clear areas in some sections. Then we would send over another file with the same dimensions but color only where it was needed and print with white off (Not Print). With Onyx 21 and our new FluidColor printer we can print all three layers at once. Hope that gives you an idea of how to get around if you can't send all three layers
 
Boudica

Boudica

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signheremd said:
Another option, if you don't have the ability to print color/white/color, is to print color with white, then send a second file to print color only. We used to print on glass all the time on our old CET and would send one file with color and a spot color, printing as overspot to leave clear areas in some sections. Then we would send over another file with the same dimensions but color only where it was needed and print with white off (Not Print). With Onyx 21 and our new FluidColor printer we can print all three layers at once. Hope that gives you an idea of how to get around if you can't send all three layers
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How did you register the second color pass so it would print in the right place?
I guess I could use the marks and line it up like I do with double sided banners, without flipping the media over.
 
Boudica

Boudica

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new question - did you laminate those projects? We are wondering how it would work to cure and laminate 3 layers of ink...
 
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signheremd

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Boudica said:
How did you register the second color pass so it would print in the right place?
I guess I could use the marks and line it up like I do with double sided banners, without flipping the media over.
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We size the media to the finished substrate size - example 24x36 - and print. The second printing is sized to media size also of 24x36 but with color only located where it is needed. We use a contour cut for the not printing substrate size (so no fill no stroke) as neither our old nor our new flatbeds print the contour cut. We leave the piece on the machine and simply run the second file.

Boudica said:
new question - did you laminate those projects? We are wondering how it would work to cure and laminate 3 layers of ink...
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We do not laminate these - they are reverse printed on glass in this case. But as long as the ink is dry you can laminate 3 layers of ink in our experience.
 
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