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Just In Product examples/situaions where you WOULDN'T need lamination

Discussion in 'Digital Printing' started by Mascitti Bro, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    While we're waiting for our new equipment upgrade to arrive, ( going from just 30" cutter to 54" printer/cutter combo) I thought this would be a great time to gain some knowledge from you experienced folks on here. We know a laminator is a must (and will also be coming in the weeks following) but what are some situations where a laminant "isn't" a must?? (background; we do primarily truck/race car lettering, and will offer cut decals done in company logos once the new equipment is up and running.) NOTE; Just received a sample from the equipment mfg. of what this thing will print/cut, etc., and the sample product they sent does not appear to have a laminant on it.
     
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    Bubba06 Just Somebody

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    Eco, or latex?
     
  3. unclebun

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    We don't do lamination on cheap decals meant for giveaways at driver meet/greets. We don't laminate banners. We don't laminate coroplast signs (they are cheap and meant to be temporary). We don't laminate indoor trade show graphics.

    We do laminate anything going on outdoor signs meant to be "permanent". We laminate anything going on vehicles. We laminate decals meant for sticking outside or on vehicles.
     
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  4. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    Sorry, Eco...
     
  5. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    Ok, great info. Sounds like my best bet is if I want to do some random small decals w/o lamination, I should do some "test mules" and stick them on my own back window of one of our vehicles to see what the longevity will be. (unless someone already knows that time frame?) Also, what type of cleaner would we avoid on a non-laminated small decal??
     
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    Longevity of window decals depends mostly on the vinyl you use, not the ink. I've printed decals that lasted 6-7 years and some that lasted 6 months. All depends on the type of vinyl. If you laminate, then they will last a very long time, again depending on the the vinyl AND laminate type.
     
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  7. Bubba06

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    I personally wouldn't put anything in the yard any longer than a week without lamination.
     
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  8. Gino

    Gino Major Contributor

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    You laminate basically, everyrhing. Indoor stuff, not so much. Things for short term use, up to you. Anything going on a vehicle, yes. Any cleaners will ruin your print, other than water for rinsing.
     
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  9. Jester1167

    Jester1167 Very Active Member

    Be aware that unlaminated solvent prints will stick together if you stack them face to face especially when it is hot. Simple fix is to save the liner and use it as a slip sheet in-between.
     
  10. krosbonez

    krosbonez New Member

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    We laminate almost everything. Not only for the protective qualities, but for application/fabrication. Lam'ed prints install faster and with less issues, which more than doubles production. There are only a few instances where we would not laminate. We stock different lams for this though....some really cheap stuff for coro signs and then quality stuff for the other.
     
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  11. rjssigns

    rjssigns Major Contributor

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    If you're working with dirt track cars don't bother with laminate. Those cars only look good for one day.;)
     
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  12. SheBeau

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    Have you considered using a spray laminate in the interim? Although it wouldn’t solve everything, it would widen your capabilities.
     
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  13. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    Ohh, nice tip- thanks for that.
     
  14. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    -More good stuff, thank you!!
     
  15. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    -Will try to read more about this option-thx!
     
  16. Mascitti Bro

    Mascitti Bro New Member

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    'Thing is, i'm concerned about my customer afterwards using some random thing to wipe-off his car, then the color/ink smearing, coming off, etc. , but yeah, I get it-they get covered in mud in no-time...
     
  17. axelmk

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    Give your customer TWO prices, with and without laminate. Let them choose their price point.
    Some customers rather pay more and play it safe and some other will take risks, if they choose not to laminate the responsibility falls on them. It will always be better to laminate, for longevity and installation purposes, but let the customer choose based on their budget.
    it always depends on the application.
     
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  18. #racewraps

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    We don’t let anything of a sticker or decal except certain wall graphics or short term interior use only products without lam. Not worth it. If it’s too expensive for the customer they shouldn’t be buying it.
     
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  19. 2B

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    Exactly!!!

    We do this and it has made all the difference. The customers have the option and they can decide what is best by price and the longevity.
    We do show them the difference and what they can expect.
     
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  20. Laminate everything except for when the client insists on not paying for it.

    Obviously, lamination may not be needed for cheap give-a-ways or short-term events, but it is the responsibility of the vendor to explain that to the customer, and the obligation of the customer to clearly insist that he does not want it. You might want to write up a little fact/care sheet and maybe even have them sign it.
     
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