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Roland pro4

Discussion in 'Roland' started by JoshLoring, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. JoshLoring

    JoshLoring Very Active Member

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  2. CS-SignSupply

    CS-SignSupply Very Active Member

    All of the docs I have read on the unit so far point to a winner for sure.
     
  3. ProColorGraphics

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    I wonder how it will compare to Epson's new SureColor S70670 with pretty much the same setup, 10 colors overall??
     
  4. cgsigns_jamie

    cgsigns_jamie Very Active Member

    I wish there was a 9 color option... they offer 9 colors (CMYK Lc Lm W M Lb)... but you can only have 8 colors loaded at one time... seems like they really should have thought about that a little more before releasing the machine.

    I also wish they would have redesigned the take up system! I hate that the take up reel is fixed on the right side of the machine.

    If they release an XJ version I might consider upgrading from our XC-540. I really like our XC-540 (minus the take up system) and feel that the Roland Pro series are built like tanks.
     
  5. ProColorGraphics

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    That's what makes me lean towards Epson. I don't need a cutter and with Epson's, you can have all 10 colors loaded at the same time. (2) 5 channels heads versus (2) 8 channel ones. (My Mixup, I said 4 channel first)
     
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  6. DRamm76

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    This machine is going to blow everything else out of the water! Priced at $30,000 as well! You're getting sssssooooooooooooo much more than the XC-540 and it's $2000 less!! Not to mention over 500 sq ft per hour. Damn Right It's A Winner!
     
  7. CS-SignSupply

    CS-SignSupply Very Active Member

    2 Year warranty with 2 preventative maintenance visits free to end user
    Cutting built in, when you need it
    Versaworks improvements
    and a bunch more...

    Gonna be the buzz at SGIA if shown there.
     
  8. Jack Knight1979

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    Awesome. I'm pumped about the LB and metallic. Love it.
     
  9. 2CT Media

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    Its only 50 - 100 sqft/hr on any quality settings... that is too slow
     
  10. Andrew O

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    Thanks everyone for chiming in. We're very excited about the XR-640. To answer a couple of questions that have come up:

    - Yes, they will be at SGIA.
    - The 8 color setup allows a fully mirrored firing order regardless of ink configuration. That eliminates chromatic banding or the "lawnmower effect".
    - We are getting great looking prints in standard and high speed modes. Even billboard modes, while there is a quality trade-off, will deliver saleable output for quick banners and some other applications.

    Keep the questions and comments coming. It is going to be a busy day, but I'll be on to answer them.
     
  11. CS-SignSupply

    CS-SignSupply Very Active Member

    Thanks for the clarification Andrew. Helpful as always.

    I will see in in Vegas.
     
  12. 2CT Media

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    Do you guys have a print sample showing the different qualities side by side like hp did for their initial latex? It be interesting to see the quality to speed tradeoff.

    Also is there a speed hit for white/silver inks like in other printers?
     
  13. Charlie J

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    I would never buy another printer/cutter....Ever. My roland printer rocks tho
     
  14. Andrew O

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    We will be putting some sample books together that show the different modes available. There is a speed hit when running white or metallic. However, the print speed with those colors is roughly double what it is with our older printers.
     
  15. amw

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    I totaly agree!

    Marsha
     
  16. Jack Knight1979

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    Andrew, Does Roland plan to move this ink train into a XJ series type printer? I already have a GX500 and don't need a print/cut machine.

    I love this setup, but would like to see it in a print only machine.

    Please advise.
     
  17. Andrew O

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    Jack Knight - There's nothing planned in the near term that I'm aware of.

    I don't want to get too off topic, but there are a lot of jobs where integrated print/cut can be a real convenience. I realize everyone has their own working requirements, and that's why we offer the RE-640 and the XJ series, but the XR-640 is actually a little less expensive than an XJ-640, so you can use the cutter when you need it, and ignore it when you don't. I address some of the issues in a blog post here: http://rblog.rolanddga.com/inkjet/triple-threat/. It is old enough to feature some discontinued models, but I think the point still stands.

    While I realize that an integrated device won't print and cut simultaneously, it will perform those functions sequentially, and without intervention. That means that for decals, labels, heat transfers, and other jobs that don't need lamination, you can be off doing something else in the shop while they finish themselves.
     
  18. Robert M

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    What kind outdoor durability and scratch resistance are the Roland/Epson white and metallic inks going to have?
     
  19. Jack Knight1979

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    Good question, Robert. I too would like to know. Can I sell Metallic on vehicle wraps?
     
  20. Robert M

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    The current generation of those colors is not very scratch resistant. Looks like the new Roland is using the earlier generation DX5 heads with 8 channels and the Sure color has the newer 10 channel heads. I saw somewhere that the Sure Color has print head redundancy, meaning if one head went out it can still print, I think the Mutoh 1638 has a similar feature. So basically the new Roland is an Epson GS6000 with a cutter and more ink colors. I was sure they were going to go with a latex printer. Solvent is still alive and well, which is fine by me.
     
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