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What' going on? Avery MPI 1105 Supercast EZRS/ DOL 1060Z

Discussion in 'Vehicle Wraps' started by Sign Dimensions, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. Sign Dimensions

    Sign Dimensions New Member

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    I don't do a lot of wraps, but have done a few over the years. These photos show a wrap I did in November of 2016. The original wrap was done in 2013 with Avery MPI1005EZRS / Arlon 3220. Portions of that failed so I switched to MPI 1105 Supercast EZRS DOL 1060Z lam, because I was told the brand combo was the issue. The photos show the portions I replaced and it'd doing the same thing. Weird thing is, I wrapped a fleet of vans back in 2014 and they still look good.
    Any ideas?
    Roof Small.jpg Hood Small.jpg Driver Small.jpg
     
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  2. KMC

    KMC Graphic Artist

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    what was the other colour of the other wrap you did in 2014, was it lighter?
    when did the customer first start to notice this happening?

    in the product over view it doesn't state it how long for horizontal exposure, i would call avery and double check whats the deal is with that
     

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  3. Sign Dimensions

    Sign Dimensions New Member

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    The other color was yellow, so yes. That makes a difference?
    Not sure when he noticed.
     
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  5. bob

    bob Major Contributor

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    It's not the vinyl, it's the laminate. The pictures show typical laminate burning. If you could remove the laminate, hypothetically, most likely you'd find the vinyl to be just fine. I've experienced this very same phenomenon in recent years. I stopped using vinyl laminates except in those rare situations where the client absolutely positively demanded it. I switched to Clear Shield Original Formula [I think it's called 'Classic' these days] liquid laminate and this problem disappeared.

    On my own truck, which I sold last week, I wrapped the tailgate with a vinyl laminated print and applied three panels on the hood which were coated with Clear Shield. This was ~8 1/2 years ago. The tailgate displayed the burning after 4 or so years and I removed it as it was more of a condemnation than an advertisement. The panels on the hood looked just like the day I applied them when I sold it last week. Note that the tailgate is a vertical surface and the hood a horizontal surface. The horizontal surface receives far more UV than the vertical.

    The liquid laminate is plenty tough but still doesn't have the inherent abrasion resistance of the vinyl but the liquid laminate exhibits far superior UV resistance.
     
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  6. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    6460 laminate has the best warranty as far as I know.
     
  7. Johnny Best

    Johnny Best Very Active Member

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    Didn't 3M come out with a special laminate years ago for horizontal installs such as roofs on cars and trucks.
    But bob has been talking about how good that liquid laminate is for so long, I am going to buy some and try it out.
     
  8. Sign Dimensions

    Sign Dimensions New Member

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    Thanks.
    Bob, what vinyl do you use? I have an HP Latex 330. The MPI1105 is pretty thin to apply without laminate, no?
    Also, do you roll or spray the Clear Shield?
     
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  9. bob

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    I've used Oracal, 3M, Avery, and a host of others. Right now I'm using Avery 1105ABC-WTF-BFD-WHATEVER.

    I've been using liquid laminate on 1105 since it first came out. The thickness of the vinyl should make no difference. You're adding a coating, be it more vinyl or liquid, the thickness of what you're coating shouldn't be a factor.

    I apply Clear Shield thinned to the consistency of whole milk with a foam brush. Just mop it on and spread it with vertical and then horizontal strokes. Try not to leave any puddles. The stuff levels itself out quite nicely. Rolling tends to speed up drying and leaves too rough a surface that doesn't have time to level. Spraying takes way too much setup and cleanup time and lays down the material too thick as far as I'm concerned. Done properly a foam brush leaves a uniform smooth surface. Your mileage may vary.
     
  10. Sign Dimensions

    Sign Dimensions New Member

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    Thanks everyone. I'll give the Clear Shield a try.
     
  11. a77

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    Would be fun to wrap a car... installer says "hey what lam did you use, this is gooey..". You answer: "should be fine... I mixed it to whole milk consistency"
     
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