Avery 1105/1360z + HP360 Latex ink = FAIL!

[Bogie1of8]

Researching if anyone else is using the new Avery 1105 wrap film with the recommended 1360Z laminate and HP 360 latex ink. We are getting really bad adhesion of the laminate to the ink causing failures. We use a Seal Base 60 laminator with heat assist at a relatively slow speed of 2. Here's the video of our non-professional testing of various combinations. It would seem that other laminates work but not the 1360Z.......anyone else having problems?

Avery 1360z Fail

 

[AF]

Try nuking the ink on the highest heat setting before going any further. Latex ink fully cured makes for a superb surface for laminate. Heat is your friend with vinyl and similar substrates.

 

[Dennis422]

I'm about try it tonight or tomorrow.
I have a sample set and i just installed new L330.

Will post if any issues

 

[Morkel]

We're using 1105 on our 360 (and 260 & 280), but using the 6460 laminate. It's awesome and is now our preferred wrap bundle (previously 3M 180/8518).

 

[Dennis422]

I had a sample rolls of MPI1105 RS EZ and DOL1060Z, printed and laminated with no issues on L300 and USTech laminator.
I usually use 1360 laminate, but they sent me 1060 for the test roll.

It might be that you got a defective roll. Call Avery and they will send you a new one.

 

[nate]

Researching if anyone else is using the new Avery 1105 wrap film with the recommended 1360Z laminate and HP 360 latex ink. We are getting really bad adhesion of the laminate to the ink causing failures. We use a Seal Base 60 laminator with heat assist at a relatively slow speed of 2. Here's the video of our non-professional testing of various combinations. It would seem that other laminates work but not the 1360Z.......anyone else having problems?

Avery 1360z Fail

You spelled "does" wrong on the video.... Also it's 1105 not 1106

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

Anyone else noticing that the Avery 1105 is more aggressive than the 1005? It's just as tacky as 3M180C V3 now.
A partial truck that was supposed to take a few hours is taking twice as long as it used to just because of this new vinyl...and nothing we're doing is any different than what we've been doing for the past 7 years.

 

[JHendo]

Same Problem

Researching if anyone else is using the new Avery 1105 wrap film with the recommended 1360Z laminate and HP 360 latex ink. We are getting really bad adhesion of the laminate to the ink causing failures. We use a Seal Base 60 laminator with heat assist at a relatively slow speed of 2. Here's the video of our non-professional testing of various combinations. It would seem that other laminates work but not the 1360Z.......anyone else having problems?

Avery 1360z Fail

Having the same issues with 1105/1060 sandwich on a Latex HP 360. I contacted an Avery Specialist as soon as I hear from him will give updates.

 

[Christian @ 2CT Media]

we are having an issue with the Avery 1105 itself on the 360. With any amount of stretch (like 10%) it whites out and leaves a tiger stripe pattern.

 

[Bosh]

Yeah, it's a real problem (as in, "makes the material unusable"). Contacted Avery, they assured us that they have NEVER heard of this- thank you for the sanity confirmation.

This happened to me the first time I was testing this new product on a very simple application: the rear doors of a van, HP Latex ink,1105 film, 1460z lam. Left door applied/finished, put the right door on, cut away the overlap, pull, and . . .WOW. the laminate just stripped off. Just for fun, I pulled the rest of the lam off- it came off like static cling.

So we used the rest of the roll to print a temporary promotional wrap for a marketing company- a regular customer we do at least a dozen wraps a year for. The design was two-tone on a vintage VW minibus, with white lettering. Decided to do the white lettering as cut vinyl lettering (on top of the printed/laminated 1105/1460Z). When the promotion was over, the client decided to pull the vinyl lettering off, keeping the wrap until the next campaign (why not?). When I saw the driver next, he explained to me "when we tried to pick the letters off, the "clear coat" started coming up with them. So I just pulled the rest of the clear off. Looks fine now".

So. . . yeah, pulling cut vinyl lettering off of a wrap is always dicey- BUT HE REMOVED THE ENTIRE LAMINATE WITHOUT DAMAGING THE PRINT!. Impossible? I would have said so, if I hadn't had the experience myself.

Very disappointed with the new product - SPECIFICALLY - designed to "print better across all formats" - AKA latex.

Thanks for sharing. Nice video.

 

[Christian @ 2CT Media]

Yet we never really had much in the way of problems with 1005 on our latex 360.

 

[Bly]

Strange.
We're loving it although they brought it out with the 6460 lam here and is the same price as 1005/1460 was.
Haven't noticed whitening from stretching either.

 

[colin smyth]

Yeah, it's a real problem (as in, "makes the material unusable"). Contacted Avery, they assured us that they have NEVER heard of this- thank you for the sanity confirmation.

This happened to me the first time I was testing this new product on a very simple application: the rear doors of a van, HP Latex ink,1105 film, 1460z lam. Left door applied/finished, put the right door on, cut away the overlap, pull, and . . .WOW. the laminate just stripped off. Just for fun, I pulled the rest of the lam off- it came off like static cling.

So we used the rest of the roll to print a temporary promotional wrap for a marketing company- a regular customer we do at least a dozen wraps a year for. The design was two-tone on a vintage VW minibus, with white lettering. Decided to do the white lettering as cut vinyl lettering (on top of the printed/laminated 1105/1460Z). When the promotion was over, the client decided to pull the vinyl lettering off, keeping the wrap until the next campaign (why not?). When I saw the driver next, he explained to me "when we tried to pick the letters off, the "clear coat" started coming up with them. So I just pulled the rest of the clear off. Looks fine now".

So. . . yeah, pulling cut vinyl lettering off of a wrap is always dicey- BUT HE REMOVED THE ENTIRE LAMINATE WITHOUT DAMAGING THE PRINT!. Impossible? I would have said so, if I hadn't had the experience myself.

Very disappointed with the new product - SPECIFICALLY - designed to "print better across all formats" - AKA latex.

Thanks for sharing. Nice video.

Hi, I see this is an old thread but we have been having the same problems for some time now and can't find anyone else willing to admit there is an issue with the 360 ink. We have tried a range of vinyl, Hexis, Avery, Mactac and Oracle and all with the same result, the laminate just peels off (have tried 3 different laminators also) we actually have a sign in our workshop that was laminated 12 months ago and the laminate peels right off!!
Have you have any more success finding a vinyl/laminate that works??

 

[Christian @ 2CT Media]

Hi, I see this is an old thread but we have been having the same problems for some time now and can't find anyone else willing to admit there is an issue with the 360 ink. We have tried a range of vinyl, Hexis, Avery, Mactac and Oracle and all with the same result, the laminate just peels off (have tried 3 different laminators also) we actually have a sign in our workshop that was laminated 12 months ago and the laminate peels right off!!
Have you have any more success finding a vinyl/laminate that works??

It's not the film or laminate, your inks aren't fully cured. The only laminate we have ever had a problem with that was unsolvable because we proved the inks we're cured was 3Ms 8508.
Since our initial issues with 1105, we have had nothing but great success with it. It is our preferred wrap kit and we have used nearly 100 kits since then.

 

[colin smyth]

Hi 2CT, thanks for the reply. Ink is definitely cured (have had HP technician with us to confirm this) and I still same issue. We have the L25500 and you can tell when it hasn't cures as the ink is still "greasy", however this is not the case with the 360 and have been told by HP that the 360 ink would be the same if not cured, is that your experience? It only seems to be self adhesive vinyl we have the problem with but have tried various makes - not 3M though and everyone gives the same result. I have a video that I tried to upload but site won't accept it.
I really am loosing all hope of getting this resolved and HP are no help whatsoever, the last response I got was them saying that "this is the trade-off with having scratch resistant ink!!!....not helpful at all