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Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by tony mansfield, Aug 19, 2020.

  1. tony mansfield

    tony mansfield New Member

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    Hi All,
    Need some help... deciding on either a canon arizona 2200xt or a Vanguard vk 300d hs..

    which is better on:
    Quality: will need high dpi
    speed: mainly using quality mode or higher
    economics:

    sales reps for each have made a mind spinning info...would like actual knowledge from end users...

    thanks
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  2. greysquirrel

    greysquirrel Active Member

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    Vangard is super fast....I was pretty impressed with the ones I saw at last year's show in Vegas. I am not sure how they are serviced, but I can tell you once out of warranty you will hate OCE.
     
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  3. tony mansfield

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    what about the quailty.. which do you think is better on solids and photo type of work
     
  4. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    Vanguard all the way... we were not impressed with Oce at all when we were shopping. We have the vanguard you are looking at and it is hands-down a better option. Their service is phenomenal and the machine is a beast!

    Quality to speed is far superior to Oce', plus you don't have to pay extra for layered printing like tactile or braille.
     
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  5. tony mansfield

    tony mansfield New Member

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    Thank you for yoir response..any downfalls for vanguard
     
  6. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    Not that we have found so far. We have one annoyance, but it is being released shortly. Some of the features are not live yet as they are still doing testing but once they go live it should make this machine even easier to use.
     
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    Christian,

    Did you purchase your unit new?
    If so, would you purchase it again knowing everything about it up to now?
    If so, is there any options that you would have changed on it?

    How many heads and/or rows do you have on your printer?
    How many 4x8 or 5x10 sheets can you print per hour?
    How is the white printing? Any issues with printing on clear acrylic in reverse and then having the white flood as the top layer? We want to make sure the printer we purchase is going to have a good white option for art prints and printing on clear vinyl.

    I've been reading good things on them. I've heard good reviews on here... We were looking at the LX3 Pro but it was sold and I'm thinking the VK300 series would be ideal if purchased new and there is also a used unit on the market now, but I think it has 6 heads.

    How much is it to add more heads or is it rows? To help speed up the printer...
    How are the ink cost per ink box and square footage in terms of usage?

    I assume when printing on vinyl or banners you can only print the size of the flatbed as in 5x10, is that correct?

    Would you mind to share with me the price you paid for you printer? If so, my email is mark@ballparksigns.com. I've read they are under 200k and can print up to 50-60 boards per hour.

    ...

    Thanks for your input!!!
     
  8. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    I will try to answer this 1 by 1.

    Did you purchase your unit new? Yes we did in December 2019
    If so, would you purchase it again knowing everything about it up to now? Yes, we are contemplating getting their roll machine. So Yes!
    If so, is there any options that you would have changed on it? There are a few things they are working on, but not really at this point.

    How many heads and/or rows do you have on your printer?
    We have 6 heads currently CMWYK KYWMC config.
    How many 4x8 or 5x10 sheets can you print per hour? In our preferred 600x1200 CMYK 4-Pass about 2.5 mins a board on average.
    How is the white printing? Any issues with printing on clear acrylic in reverse and then having the white flood as the top layer? We want to make sure the printer we purchase is going to have a good white option for art prints and printing on clear vinyl. White is awesome but takes a lot of maintenance. 4-Layers of White is very opaque and fast. No issues on acrylic or vinyl. See images.

    I've been reading good things on them. I've heard good reviews on here... We were looking at the LX3 Pro but it was sold and I'm thinking the VK300 series would be ideal if purchased new and there is also a used unit on the market now, but I think it has 6 heads.
    The Company, Team, and Machines are awesome. We love being a part of the Vanguard family. As for Used vs New, I would reach out to Dave Cich about that. He is totally honest and knowledgable.

    How much is it to add more heads or is it rows? To help speed up the printer...
    Heads are about $15,000 + Install, do know if this is special pricing or not so don't hold me to it.
    How are the ink cost per ink box and square footage in terms of usage? Ink is the wildcard and comes down to profile building.

    I assume when printing on vinyl or banners you can only print the size of the flatbed as in 5x10, is that correct?
    You are correct.

    Would you mind to share with me the price you paid for you printer? If so, my email is mark@ballparksigns.com. I've read they are under 200k and can print up to 50-60 boards per hour.
    They are under $200K and you would need 8 heads to hit the 50+ range. I will send you an email more about my purchase.
     

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  9. BALLPARK

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    Thank you for the great responses and sample images! Looks like a high quality printer for sure...

    Looking forward to finding out more info about this printer.
     
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  10. zspace

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    Both are good machines. My two big deciding factors for purchasing flatbeds-

    What are you printing? That should drive your decision. Coroplast- speed and saturation. Trade shows - high quality.
    Support - who, how fast and how much?

    Another system to consider is Digitech USA. They make some fast machines, include service in the ink cost and have ink sets that stick to everything - including acrylic.

    Good luck on your decision.
     
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  11. Troy Lesher

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    This is Troy with Digitech,
    I would be glad to be part of your evaluation of flatbeds. Feel free to reach out to me at any time.
     
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  12. markdarian

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    Hi Christian, I hope you don't mind one more question about your Vanguard VK300D. Did you purchase the base HS model? Or did you go with the SS or HVT models with the upgraded vacuum?

    If you have the base model, do you have to tape down your corrugated boards?

    I really appreciate your time. We're in the final stages of purchasing a Vanguard but can't decided which model to get, the showroom here in CA does not carry the SS or HVT models for us to test.
     
  13. Christian @ 2CT Media

    Christian @ 2CT Media Major Contributor

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    We went with the standard vacuum model, It is very strong. For our coroplast products, we typically don't have to tape the edges unless it's very warped. For corrugated cardboard, we do occasionally have lifting issues which is what the SS and HVT models are for but we rarely print of those products.
     
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