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I love my Mimaki.

petesign

New Member
After reading about all the hoopla around the latex HP's --- they sound like a PITA. Sure, they dont require outgassing.. but you know what? I don't care. My mimaki's prints look great, it is built like a freaking tank, and cheap to operate. Thanks to artbot :)notworthy:), I have all of the documentation I would ever need should something go wrong... I could go on forever.

Just hoping our solvent printers don't go the way of the dinosaur... because it's nice to know when I walk in and push that glowing green button I am going to be printing in 10 minutes, tops.
 

genericname

New Member
Now now, guys. This is no reason to start a fight. Does he run the Mimaki with a PC or a Mac though?! THAT's good flame bait!
 

Jack Knight1979

New Member
I love my eco-sol (Roland) too. I feel that most of the guys that upgraded to an HP had a lower level eco-sol printer. Basic print/cut machines, stuff like that.

Shops with big printers aren't going to downsize to a consumables monster like an HP.

My printer runs on liter bottles that cost a little over 100.00 per liter.
Maybe replace a pair of seven dollar dampers once a year, and a head every two to three years. If you know where to source the heads you can get them well under OEM cost.

If I went from an entry level roland to a L25500, I'd be in love, but I bit the bullet back in the day and dropped a lot of coin on my 745ex, and I can't justify the cost to drop to a smaller printer and pay a good amount in consumables.

My 5500 was great, but I had a lot of inventory in heads and ink to keep it going. That's why I switched to Roland.

Also, I mentioned a while back about ink pricing going up and I was "poo-pooed" at even bringing up the subject. HP has increased the cost of ink by 50.00 a cart in eight weeks. It will be as much as eco-sol at some point.

I've got a ton of print samples here from HP. They are all 11 pass samples and they don't look any better than my stuff printed at 4-8 pass on the 745.

Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of about the HP. Single carts per color channel is great. I hated having to replace one cart on my machine and then a day later the other would go out in the same color channel. Annoying. OEM ink costs for Roland are disgusting. I was spending 1600.00 for a set of ink. Horrible. A bulk system fixed that problem.

OMAS on the HP is awesome. I wish I had it. Also, HP changed the game with new ink chemistry. I'm grateful that the industry is moving to a "greener" solution. Although I feel latex is no greener than eco-sol at this point, with energy cost, pvc substrates, etc. Latex is a game changer, but may not be the answer.

Another thing I LOVE about the HP is the ability to print on fabric. It does it well too! I'd buy the HP just for that. I don't do enough fabric to justify the cost, but that's the aspect of the latex printer that I adore.

I feel that Roland will follow Mimaki with resin inks. Not to mention any eco-sol can be converted to resin rather easily. The market is huge for conversions.

I love my Roland and I'm glad I own it. I can certainly see why people made the switch to Latex, and if I had a lesser model printer, I may have upgraded, but I'm good for now.

If I am fortunate enough to get more fabric work, I will park a latex machine in the stable with my 745ex and 645ex. Just not looking forward to the cost of ownership.
 

HulkSmash

New Member
After reading about all the hoopla around the latex HP's --- they sound like a PITA. Sure, they dont require outgassing.. but you know what? I don't care. My mimaki's prints look great, it is built like a freaking tank, and cheap to operate. Thanks to artbot :)notworthy:), I have all of the documentation I would ever need should something go wrong... I could go on forever.

Just hoping our solvent printers don't go the way of the dinosaur... because it's nice to know when I walk in and push that glowing green button I am going to be printing in 10 minutes, tops.

Funny, I've had 2 solvents in 2 years. I hate them. More Maintenance, More ink usage, more cost, more problems, more drying time....... What are you talking about? I still have 2 solvents... and i will use my latex over my solvents all day.

This machine has a learning curve, that people can't seem to grasp. Same when the solvents came out... there's no difference. It's only been really a year that the latex has been popular. The advantages of the latex FAR surpasses a solvent, can't even say I'm biased when i own both solvent and latex.
 

jayhawksigns

New Member
Its hard to complain about a Mimkai, our JV3 ran without much of a problem other then the occasional head replacement for over 8 years. Switched over to a L25500 last fall though and without some of the perks like OMAS, I wouldn't switch to a different manufacturer. Hell we are looking at picking up either a used L25500 or a new L26500, just need to get the JV3 out of the shop first.

But the JV3s at least are built like a tank. I do miss that.
 

rjssigns

Active Member
I've got an SP540V and will stick with it until it drops. Technology is changing too fast and I don't want to get caught in "flavor of the day".
Besides my market is a tough sell and none of my clients give a rat's rear end what it is made out of.
All they care about is price and when can I have it.

I also bring up the subject of what type of potentially carcinogenic compounds are formed when you heat vinyl or other substrates close to 300 degrees F. Nobody seems to want to go there. Remember no odor does not imply that it is safe.
I am not saying that ecosols are inherently safe. It is a choice I have made and am happy with it.
 

ProWraps

New Member
What's the head to cart replacement ratio? I about one in three?


no way. ive ran probably 40-50 carts through my two machines combined. ive replaced one head.

all my heads are "out of warranty" yet they print flawlessly.

the numbers you are talking about refer to hp's recommended "out of warranty" timeline.

not actual print usage.
 

Jack Knight1979

New Member
That is outstanding head life. On the 5500 I had, it was a miracle if I could get three carts out of one head.

So it looks like the heads will last a very long time and when they go, they cost 100.00 to replace. That's the cats ***.

What about the cleaning station doo-dad?
 

ProWraps

New Member
ive replaced two. one for each printer.

been running them solid for 4 months. one month was 24 hour printing on both machines.
 
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