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Mutoh 1204 horizontal banding / bad nozzle check

manu

New Member
Hello,

I have a mutoh 1204 purchased new from signwarehouse 7 months ago. We use the printer everyday and everything was fine until now. I started to notice horizontal banding on print, I did a nozzle check and there is a lot of missing lines for all colors. I tried to clean everything, apply cleaning fluid on a coffee filter and let the print head rest on it... I tried all that multiple times the last 3 days and the nozzle check is still bad.
The weird part is that if I keep printing for a while the quality will improve and it will start getting good toward the end of the print. Then if I let the printer seat for an hour or so the banding problem will be here again and I will need to print for a while to get better quality print with no banding.

Does my maintenance station need to be replaced ? the printer is only 7 months old.

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks!
 

Solventinkjet

DIY Printer Fixing Guide
Are you leaving the print head height on high when your not using it maybe? I agree with Circleville and Bigcat the head ins't sealing properly or you are leaving the head in high mode which is causing the nozzles to dry up. Go use that warranty.
 

manu

New Member
I've been trying to call signwarehouse the past 5 days. I talked to them once, they told me to soak the head with cleaning fluid on the capping station. I tried that multiple time and it's not helping. I tried to call them today and always get the technical dispatcher voicemail.

I opened the side panel on the right of the printer, I looked at everything with a flashlight and everything seems normal but I am not an expert. How do I make sure the head is align properly on the capping station ?
 

manu

New Member
here is some pictures
 

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manu

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Is all this ink gunk under the capping station normal ? the printer is 6 month old...
 

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manu

New Member
Signwarehouse finally called me back, they told me that I need to replace the maintenance station, that I can buy the part from them for $600 and that it's not covered by the warranty because they said I did not maintain my printer properly based on the pictures I sent them.
I would not recommend signwarehouse to anyone, terrible support and they don't honor the warranty on a 6 months old printer. I spent more than $15000 with them on printer, cutter and consumables.
 

timco1

New Member
mutoh 1204

I dont like 3rd party inks. But they cant not fix it because you use another ink. clean all that gunk out of there and demand they stand behind their product. "The squeaky wheel gets the oil".
 

Compilla

New Member
I dont like 3rd party inks. But they cant not fix it because you use another ink. clean all that gunk out of there and demand they stand behind their product. "The squeaky wheel gets the oil".

Normally Printer manufacturers do not cover any warranty for using 3rd party inks:




"Mutoh inks and print head technology have been engineered to work in unison and have been tested to ensure consistent quality output. Use of ink supplied by a manufacture other than Mutoh may cause damage to the print heads and other ink related components used on Mutoh printers.
Damage caused by unauthorized ink is not covered by Mutoh's Warranty."
http://www.mutoh.com/warranty.php


"You must use only Roland Ink throughout the two-year term of the warranty. Use of non-Roland ink at any time during the two-year term of the Roland Care 2-Year Limited Warranty disqualifies your product from receiving the free second year of warranty coverage. You may be required to provide proof of purchase of Roland ink in order to substantiate its continuous and exclusive use."
http://www.rolanddga.com/owners/support/passport/moreinfo.asp
 

manu

New Member
Normally Printer manufacturers do not cover any warranty for using 3rd party inks

Yes, the SW support tech told me that, however I think it's hypocritical since SW is also selling 3rd party ink for the ValueJet called EnduraInk... So it's fine to use 3rd party ink as long as you buy from them.
Also it is illegal under U.S. Federal antitrust laws. Manufacturers are legally prohibited from forcing their customers to buy their brand of supplies or accessories in order to maintain the warranty.

I used JetBest ink because it was recommended by a lot of signs101 users.
 

Stealth Ryder

New Member
That thing looks filthy... Until it is cleaned and functioning properly it will never work no matter what ink is used... Clean It...
 

manu

New Member
That thing looks filthy... Until it is cleaned and functioning properly it will never work no matter what ink is used... Clean It...

The picture shows the ink residue under the cap of the capping station. The wiper, top of the capping station and print head are spotless clean.
 

costel

New Member
hello,
i have a mutoh valuejet 1204. i have a problem with the head. when i print, he put black in cyan colour. can anyone tell me what to do?
 

rcook99

New Member
I just had a MS go bad 6 months after buying my printer and it filled the wiper channel as well as the lower motor area similar to what yours is. My wiper would not move all the way over. I clean mine 1-2 times a week and still had the issue. My MS was bad. My dealer which was Graphic Resource Systems in NJ stood behind the product and replaced my MS.

The problems you are having with your SW is one of the reasons I didn't buy from them. The other reason is I also have a friend that bought a wrap system from SW and he had issues too that they would not stand behind. Also after meeting Dave and Chris from Graphic Resource Systems at a signs 101 meet in Philly and seeing how they bent over backwards to bring in and let us use brand new equipment.
 

itljcloud

New Member
Maintenance Station, Schmaintenance Station!!!

I have a 1204, 1304, and a 1604. I do not pay ridiculous maintenance contracts or ridiculous service calls. Two were bought used and one I bought new 7 years ago from signwarehouse and I have printed like crazy with it. I have no formal training in these printers other than I use them daily in my sign business.

If you haven't messed with anything else on the machine, for the first 5 years or so 99% of the time it's the maintenance station, or more specifically the cap on the station. The rubber gets stiff over time and will no longer seal against the head. You can replace the cap only on the station for about 30 bucks, or the maintenance station for $280 to $380 off ebay if you are a little price savvy. Don't pay OEM Pricing, ($600) or (100)

Take the side cover off at the panel.
Take the two hoses that exit the pump to the black part above the waste ink tray and pull them out of the black 'receiver' or whatever you want to call it.
Put a plastic or other solvent proof "T" onto those two hoses in effect bringing them into one single hose that you will have to add on. Make sure the one single hose is also solvent proof silicone.
( a good thing to use is fuel proof silicone tubing that they use in .40 size gas model airplanes.)

After you do that leave the single line long enough to exit the bottom of the machine by drilling a hole in the plastic hand hold under the chassis.

Now you accomplish three things: You will only have to change your waste tray pads about 1/10th of the time as normal, and secondly you have a vacuum line that you can hook a large plastic or glass syringe to and check your maintenance station from time to time to make sure the head is sealing good. Finally, every time it runs a cleaning cycle you can see the ink moving and know things are working as they should. When not in use run the longer waste line into an old alcohol bottle or something to catch waste ink from cleaning cycles and empty as needed (like the 1304 and 1604 do.) Now only the ink from the wiper goes into the waste tray.

If the printer isn't printing well, put a syringe on the exit line and try to suction it. If maintenance station seal to head is good, you will pull ink and it will be difficult to pull the syringe. If it is not, you will hear it pulling air and it will be easy to pull. The techs do this sometimes to prime the system without clicking the percentages off of your cartridges. You can get clogs in the waste line that will prevent ink from pumping properly, you can get clogs in the small lines that run from the cap, down to the pump, etc. MOST of the time the problem is at the cap or below. I have rarely seen anything from the head all the way back to the ink cartridges, except for an occaisional o-ring malfunction and one color won't stay primed. It is usually all in the down line starting with the cap at the bottom of the head.

These things are qwerky. NOT USING ONE is way worse than running the dog mess out of it. They don't like to sit idle.

This weekend I bought a VJ1304 in pristine condition that the owner had let sit for too long (he thought) I bought it sight un-seen other than pictures for $1750. I drove 8 hours and picked it up. Took it to a friend's shop in a neighboring city and had it printing like a new one within one hour. The bottom end was gooped up, large buildup of ink on wiper, and overflowing off cap, etc. I spent ZERO dollars on parts. I just made sure some of the tubing was clear on the bottom end, cleaned all the goop off best I could and BOOM> new printer. The life times were all full on the internal counter for head, pump, and motors. There are many more out there like this. Knowledge is $$$$ Learn your printers inside and out and you will save big. Purchase a service manual offline on ebay in pdf format and learn it.

Just my 2 cents. !
 
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