Ohio School Shooting

[Graphics2u]

I know there are many memebers here from Ohio. I hope no ones children or families here are affected by this. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/27/10517706-report-4-hurt-in-ohio-high-school-shooting

 

[Gino]

I wish there was something we could do about these many school shootings.

In our schools around here, they have all kinds of the latest technical metal detectors, police stationed all around inside and outside of the school and still there are shootings. Most of them happen outside the school, but it's such young kids shooting.

Is it that hip a thing for kids to be popping each other off ??

We used to get into fist fights and brawls over girls or turf, but it was rare for someone to even carry a knife. Just about everything was done by hand. We were more worried if the other kid knew judo or karate more than anything.

If these are their rules for living today..... I think we should round up EVERY kid involved in any incident up to the age of say.... 28, throw them into an arena with thick metal walls and ceilings, give them all a sawed-off shotgun, a 9mm and two grenades and let let them duke it out like in cage fighting. Last person standing, gets to go to jail, if they're still able to walk. With their own kinda justice forced on them, maybe they will clean up their acts a little.

 

[signswi]

Someone's been watching Battle Royale.

Thoughts go out to the families. We really need a better focus on in-school psychology and teacher training on the subject. More technical barriers won't help, we need to help the kids directly with focused attention on individuals. Budgets getting cut everywhere, specialized programs being eliminated and increasing class sizes isn't helping anything.

 

[Graphics2u]

My wife works in a HS, and the situations that I am aware of about some students and their family life are unbelievable. It's hard to imagine what their lives are like. Many of them are GOOD kids, but their parents are messed up. All they want is a regular home life. It really is no wonder that some of them snap after a while.

 

[sar bossier]

Tragic - Thoughts and prayers to those that were affected.

 

[signswi]

Couldn't agree more, it starts at home but many homes are simply horrible. That's why it's so tragic when school districts are forced to cut programs which put people in homes to assist and make sure the kid is on track (early childhood outreach, language specialists, etc.) not to mention the delicate need to pull kids out of really bad situations.

 

[SD&F]

I think we need to qualify to have children. I see people who cannot take care of themselves and will never be able to take care of themselves, yet they have a load of children. We think everyone who can reproduce should be able to reproduce. I am not for government control, but when does the child come first. Children used to be our future and now it seems many are our nightmare. Children need to learn morality, whether it is fiscal, spiritual or basic.

 

[SD&F]

My heart goes out to the individuals who are suffering because of this.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Is it that hip a thing for kids to be popping each other off ??

I would say in their world it is.

We used to get into fist fights and brawls over girls or turf, but it was rare for someone to even carry a knife. Just about everything was done by hand. We were more worried if the other kid knew judo or karate more than anything.

Same here. I miss the good ole days. I had a chance, now unless I'm packing at the right time, I may or may not have a chance.

Those that remember the UAH shooting a couple of yrs ago, Alicia was on campus for that one finishing up her CPA classes. She knew a couple of the teachers that were killed from classes she had during her first degree. Difference is it was a teacher shooting other teachers, but still horrific.

 

[genericname]

Seeing a lot of hard lines drawn in the sand already, considering we don't know a thing about the kid, his motives, upbringing, family situation, or mental state.

My heart goes out to those suffering today.

 

[woahdude]

so quick to blame the family of the shooter. i think responcibilty lands in the school for not dealing with bullying and harrassment

 

[SD&F]

I don't think you can blame the family, the shooter or the school until all the facts are out. Assigning blame helps no one, but admitting blame and excepting consequence is essential today.

 

[Graphics2u]

Seeing a lot of hard lines drawn in the sand already, considering we don't know a thing about the kid, his motives, upbringing, family situation, or mental state.

My heart goes out to those suffering today.

Hard Lines? True this situation may not be about poor updbringing, family life, However many, many young people live in terrible family situations today. Regardless of motive, upbringing, family or mental state a Student went to school and shot 5 others, obviously something is terribly wrong in this young persons life.

 

[Gino]

Someone's been watching Battle Royale.

Thoughts go out to the families. We really need a better focus on in-school psychology and teacher training on the subject. More technical barriers won't help, we need to help the kids directly with focused attention on individuals. Budgets getting cut everywhere, specialized programs being eliminated and increasing class sizes isn't helping anything.

Sorry, never heard of it or read anything on it, until you posted this. It's a little different. It seemed they were raising their kids to be soldiers, gladiators or warriors of some sort. I'm saying take all the kids involved in this stuff and instead of trying to pry the guns out of their hands..... let them keep them so to speak and if they wanna be so brave and cool, let 'em shoot it out every Friday night on television and even Utube if they think this will remedy their problems. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE...... caught involved in these shootings, stabbings and beating others with bats and bricks.... be rounded up by a squad and without any messing around thrown into a cage and they duke it out or go down. Last chump standing then goes to prison forever. A whole lot less mouths to feed, fewer jail houses needed and less death sentences due to their taking each other out to begin with.

Were they raised wrong ?? Possibly, but if they are this far gone that they are shooting each other in the streets and causing possible harm to total innocents, then crush them. I really don't care if they are 9 years old or 27.... they are bad and have been street trained and parental love will not work. They are hardened criminals before their time, but unfortunately, they are a product of their environment. I cannot pay for and/or take a chance of getting shot, while we spend literally millions on each and every kid to see if 1 out of 2,500 might turn their life around. They had the chance plenty of times and have always resorted to violence. Once something or someone is taught this.... it is very hard to UNteach them. Violence is a very bad habit. It comes too naturally to some these days. There is nothing wrong with the parents, schools or government.... we have become too easy on criminals at any level or age and they have learned it is far easier to get away with murder than to play by the book. You wanna go into the inner city war zones and try to talk sense to these kids ?? Be my guest. BUT, do it on your own time and money and see how many come around. Y'all talk big that after the kid is caught and is begging for freedom, that he/she are willing to say or do anything to get back to their habit.... killing others. Do it right and instead of from your favorite armchair or lounging sofa... get right in there, like I was years ago and deal with these hoodlums face to face on a daily basis. I was raised in the inner city areas and had to fight for what was mine, but I never claimed or came close to killing another. However, when I owned my first home and these same kids tormented me and I would face them off, I didn't take no chit from any of them. It wasn't until I got married, that I knew my wife couldn't live like that. I had to move. Within two weeks in our new home, the crickets and tree frogs noise took the place of buses, gunfire and people yelling all night long.

Now, when I go downtown, I can see so clearly how fugged up the city really is. You wanna blame bad parenting and schools, well, to a small extent that's it, but society has moved away from these parasites and now that the parasites are aiming their sights out in surburbia, they too are moving further out.

Out where I live now... everyone owns gunS. It's a well known fact we can handle our area and we don't have the inner city police running around like a bunch of idiots getting in the way.

I still feel sorry for the lives lost or hurt in this latest shooting... and my condolences go out to them and their families, but whoever did it.... should be this week's contender for my Friday Night and the Shoot-Out.

 

[genericname]

Hard Lines? True this situation may not be about poor updbringing, family life, However many, many young people live in terrible family situations today. Regardless of motive, upbringing, family or mental state a Student went to school and shot 5 others, obviously something is terribly wrong in this young persons life.

I'm definitely not arguing against that. There's no doubt something in the kid's life zigged when it should have zagged. I'm just saying that throwing immediate blame helps no-one, and can actually aggravate situations like this by deflecting responsibility from the proper source.

I suppose it's human nature, to play amateur sociologists and anthropologists. Helps us cope with something our brains tells us something is out of place; our brains don't like it when things are out of place. In the end though, we need to let the experts do their job. Now's the time for compassion and introspection. We can deliberate later.

 

[FatCat]

Nothing to say but tragic. This is in NE Ohio near Cleveland - still too close to home for me. Just heard another student say (who had been grazed in the ear by one of the bullets) he used to be friends with this kid up until 8th grade where he became introverted and turned to the "goth" lifestyle. (Whatever that is.) Sadly, sounds like the stereotypical angry misunderstood teenager with anger issues and access to a gun. Just like most of the other student related shootings.

Unfortunately, the thing I always hear from the people interviewed is that they all thought it could never happen to them. People need to wake up and realize there are no laws or security that can 100% guarantee your safety. It's an impossible dream, as there is always someone out there that can outsmart the system in place. I'll be talking to my 13 year old son tonight about what he should do if something like this ever happens to him It's sad I have to, but it's our reality.