permanent chip issue

[gabagoo]

I have written about this before and I still have issues with these new permanent chips my 3rd party ink supplier has given me. When I finally decided to go 3rd party I was told permanent meant forever....not so.... 2.5 years.. In any case, just wondered if I could use a permanent chip offered by a different 3rd party ink supplier to see if that solves the issue.

 

[SightLine]

Sure can..... they really should be advertised as "semi" permanent. The chips still have to have a date coded into them or the printer will not accept them. But they can only go so far into the future on the date or the printer will freak out. What those numbers are, I have no idea.

On one of our machines we have Triangles EasyResetV thing which you just press a button twice whenever we want to reset the levels to 9. After a few years that one stopped - no cost to us, Triangle next day aired a set of temp disposable chips, sent the electronic box to them, they did whatever to it and shipped it back ready for another few years.

On our other machine we have permanent chips I got from eBay which seem to work just fine. About the cheapest ones I could find too.

 

[Solventinkjet]

Normally the chips on Mimaki 3rd party cartridges are for 1 liter which normally is enough for a 440 cartridge. The ones that are forever chips for bulk systems need to tell the machine a new ID number every time the machine senses that the ink is or should be empty. The EPROMs they use on the chips can only hold so many ID's which is why "forever" chips are really more like, really long, so long that we hope you have sold the machine by the time the IDs run out, chips. This is because Mimaki machines remember the cartridges that have been installed by their ID number. If you try to put one in that has already been used, it kicks it out as an empty cartridge.

 

[gabagoo]

I just can't figure out why these chips from my supplier are constantly giving me problems, but called a jet best seller in LA and he says that they program them, themselves. I wonder if my guy programs them or gets them done offshore. I bet the wrong info is on them.... was thinking either I buy 8 new chips from the USA and ship up here or find a different 3rd party supplier that can supply chips only

 

[premiercolour]

I just can't figure out why these chips from my supplier are constantly giving me problems, but called a jet best seller in LA and he says that they program them, themselves. I wonder if my guy programs them or gets them done offshore. I bet the wrong info is on them.... was thinking either I buy 8 new chips from the USA and ship up here or find a different 3rd party supplier that can supply chips only

There is mechanical life to it. I don't know the real technical aspect of it but so far, we have no issues with forever code with our chip product. No product lasts forever. Our vendor said that the chip has forever code to it but electronic part might go after a long period of time.

I would give the chip 1 year life then buy another one if needed. An inexpensive part.

Are you using Jetbest ink ?

http://www.premiercolour.com/mimaki-ss21-chip-unlimited/

 

[SightLine]

Another thing I ran into years back when we had our JV3..... On that machine the bulk system we used had dummy chips on the sides of the cartridge tanks that extended out to the end of the cartridges. On the end of the cartridge was a small slot where you were supposed to plug the chips in. It was really designed to use disposable chips that would come with the ink whenever you bought more ink. When we used them that way they would not work half the time. The only thing I could think was either a poor connection between the dummy chip and the slot or the bit on the end of the cartridge that you plug the chip into or the extra foot or so of distance was making them not read right. I took the extender bit off and mounted the chips directly to the cartridges and they worked perfectly fine then. That's when I got our first set of permanent chips...

 

[gabagoo]

When my dealer came in to try and get the printer going, he spent a long time fiddling with different chips. What worked was a combination of permanent and the 1 time chips. I think that may be the problem. The mix of chips and different info is confusing the printer.
I now asked him to send me 8 one time chips and see if we can get it up and running again. if that works, then my next step is to either buy new permanent chips from a secondary source, or to keep running one time chips...a pain but what are my options at this point? In the end if that does not work, and even if I order new permament chips from a different reseller and that fails then I must go back to Mimaki cartridges...what if that fails too? Could it be the printer itself?

 

[SightLine]

So you are running bulk. Are the chips you are using get mounted directly to the sides of the cartridges like where the chips are on a normal cartridge or do they stick into the end of the bulk cartridge or something? This is the sort that was giving me fits years back. The dummy chip on the cartridge has wires that run to the blue connector on the end of the cartridge and you stick the chips you get into the blue connector. I even checked the continuity with a multimeter from the blue connector to the dummy chip and it was 100% but the chips simply did not like working through that. As soon as I removed the dummy chip on the side of that (and cut the wire off) then screwed the permanent chip to the side of the cartridge it never gave me a single problem again. Just have to reboot the printer to reset the ink level. Of course this method is not very fun with disposable chips since you have to remove the cartridge and physically scange the chip on the side of it every time.

Also - NEVER install a cartridge without a chip screwed onto that spot on the side (dummy chip, good chip, whatever). With no chip there the switch inside the slots will get jammed in the recess where the chip is supposed to be and potentially damage something. I know this from experience (the hard way).

 

[gabagoo]

OK this is what I did..... I purchased 8 one time chips for $80.00 and I took off all the current chips and put these on. Started up the printer BOOM!!! ready to go. So now one can say that these permanent chips he sent me are crap!!! I now have the option to use up what ink I have in the bottles with these one time chips and then convert over to the 440 cartridges or wait for a new shipment of permanent chips.

On a side note, when this issue started about 4 months ago I remember that my supplier sent me 8 new permanent chips... 4 of them were on a burgundy board and 4 were on a green board. From what I have learnt up till now permanent chips are burgundy and one time are green.... this is probably why this whole mess happened to begin with....agree?

 

[artbot]

I've got a set of lightly used perm' chips by chip emulator i can sell you. CMYKx2

 

[gabagoo]

I've got a set of lightly used perm' chips by chip emulator i can sell you. CMYKx2

for a jv3 130spII?

 

[Davor]

Permanent chip

So you are running bulk. Are the chips you are using get mounted directly to the sides of the cartridges like where the chips are on a normal cartridge or do they stick into the end of the bulk cartridge or something? This is the sort that was giving me fits years back. The dummy chip on the cartridge has wires that run to the blue connector on the end of the cartridge and you stick the chips you get into the blue connector. I even checked the continuity with a multimeter from the blue connector to the dummy chip and it was 100% but the chips simply did not like working through that. As soon as I removed the dummy chip on the side of that (and cut the wire off) then screwed the permanent chip to the side of the cartridge it never gave me a single problem again. Just have to reboot the printer to reset the ink level. Of course this method is not very fun with disposable chips since you have to remove the cartridge and physically scange the chip on the side of it every time.

Also - NEVER install a cartridge without a chip screwed onto that spot on the side (dummy chip, good chip, whatever). With no chip there the switch inside the slots will get jammed in the recess where the chip is supposed to be and potentially damage something. I know this from experience (the hard way).

When permanent chip stop working on JV5 you have to put out batery on main board for few second. Reboot and chips work another two year.

 

[CanuckSigns]

The chips seem like a really silly solution, there must be a way to edit the firmware on the printer so it doesn't even check the chips no? I'm not saying have the end user do it, but the 3rd party ink suppliers should be able to do it.

Or am I missing something?