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Question Ricoh GEN5

Vasilis

New Member
Hello, i am working in a UV printer with Ricoh GEN5 PH and i have some issues with some nozzles at the magenta and the cyan that give me hard times with my boss because of the result in some jobs.
So my question is how often can i flush the PH and does it really help? Is any danger that i have to be aware for this process? Or any ideas how to clean the nozzles for better results with other way because is the only machine in the shop and it is a problem if will stop the production at that time.
 

Zoogee World

Domed Promotional Product Supplier
What model are you using and can you post a Nozzle test print. Might be that the print head is starting to die or could be maintenance issues, hard to say without more information.
 

Smoke_Jaguar

Man who touches printers inappropriately.
Yeah, nozzle check is everything, can't do anything without sanity checking your work.

If a head is giving you a hard time, I guess maybe you're referring to nozzles dropping out, or maybe clogging? Maybe catching fire?

Depending on your solvent compatibility with the head, you can flush it all you like if it is stable. Heck, you can just load it up and print good flush all day long if you wanted to for some reason. If it's a much harsher cleaning solvent, you might want to not leave it in more than a few minutes. Sounds like a question for the people that manufacture the flush for compatibility.

As for results, it really depends on what the problem is. If you have a crashed head with a banged up nozzle plate, no amount of flushing will help you. If it's just a clog, well, that depends on whether or not the flush is capable of breaking up the clog.

If it's a situation where you've been dumping cleaning solution into the head and problems keep occurring, a head replacement might be in order. Additionally, make sure there isn't an ink supply issue starving the head during printing.

Also, post details, pictures, describe the problem.

"Have printer problem, how fix?"
 

Vasilis

New Member
So the machine is the Handtop UV flatbed i have no idea about the model exactly i am working in this machine about 5 months now and they bought it 2019, the one magenta-yellow is 1 week old(M1) the other one(M2) is about 3 months and the black-blue(K1-K2) is the first from 2019. So everything was fine until last week Monday we had some power issue at the building but no problem occur, them the next morning that we start and all the PH was a mess exept the W1-W2. So we spent a full day cleaning then we change the M1 with a new and the K-C is the best i did without flushing. I think about the power because they said to me that the UPS was to expensive to buy:banghead:
 

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Smoke_Jaguar

Man who touches printers inappropriately.
I recognize that nozzle check pattern, never heard of the printer brand, however. Control electronics are definitely HosonSoft or a copy of that. Check your capping station and make sure everything looks good. Probably not going to be an electrical fault in the head itself but might be air in the head. Gen5 heads have 2 ports per channel, are they connecting both ports to the same supply line, or is one port blocked/capped off? To purge a head, sometimes they have a port you can put a syringe in to pull ink through the head to prime it.

Gen5s tend to be pretty robust, check your filters as well if there are any. Also, try a head soak and wipe down the nozzle plate thoroughly. Make note of the nozzle checks throughout the day and see if the blocked nozzles are moving, or staying the same. If the missing nozzles move, things like ink starvation and air in the lines are more likely. If it's static, might have chunks of ink lodged in the head.
 

Zoogee World

Domed Promotional Product Supplier
There is certainly some issues with the K1 & K2 l, both C and Magenta M1 & M2 L Heads, probably what is causing the issues. Although I don't have a UV printer, I would imagine these would have a capping station like our Eco-Solvent Printers, what is the condition of it / them and how old?
 

signheremd

New Member
Sounds like air in the head. You should have a bleed line for each head with which you can uncap the line, aim it down into the waste ink, and hit your Ink Priming button. I would do them all. Alternatively or after bleeding the line, you could lower the vacuum pressure and let the heads drip for 15-20 minutes.
 

Vasilis

New Member
Thank a lot for all your answers!!! The machine don't have capping station it is just the waste tray and on top is the PH, the way that they told me to close the machine at the end of the day is that i clean the nozzle plates with the cleaning solution and the clean wipes then i do the daily test to check the results and i purge so it will have drops of ink at the nozzles to hang and thats all.

The K1-K2 is not much of a problem because the jobs that we do doesn't require very good quality especially wehn we print on a packing paper that from its nature is not smooth.

I will try your ideas and i will be back with good news i hope:)
:)
 

Superior_Adam

New Member
Not familiar with that printer specifically but I would try and purge the ink it could have an air bubble in it. Does the nozzle check stay the same or do the missing nozzles move around. If they move around it is an air bubble. If they are the same it is clogged. You can flush the heads as I do that at times and all my UV printers are using the Ricoh Gen 5 heads.
 

Vasilis

New Member
The missing nozzles stay at the same spot so as everyone suggest they are clogged. But now the problem is that they don't let me do the flush because they scared for the worse and we accept it as they say for now. :rolleyes:

So thank you everyone for all the nice information i hope i will get the approval one day to do it or i think it will get worse with the time!
 
Hey Vasilis,

I am the service manager at TeamEPS/Fluid Color, I think I can help you out a bit. The most likely reason for sudden nozzle drop out is air in the printheads. To solve this, you will need to burp the printheads followed by recalibrating the negative pressure.

Your primary and secondary (if equipped) filters need to be changed every 6 months or 10L of ink per color. Make sure these are up to date before proceeding.

To burp the printheads:
1) Close all of the Ink Valves.
2) Record your current Negative Pressure values in Topjet.
Dripping Printheads4.jpg

3) Change the Negative Pressure values to 2.00 and press Set.
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4) Remove Printhead Carriage Cover.
5) Open the Waste Ink Tray Drawer.
6) Locate the appropriate Vent Tube.
7) Open the appropriate Ink Valve.
8) Unscrew the Male Leur Cap and place the tube into the bottle.
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9) Purge for 2 secs, then pause for 2 secs.
10) Repeat until there is a steady ink flow without air bubbles.
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11) IMPORTANT: Quickly replace the Male Leur Cap before ink stops flowing not to let air suck back into the Printhead.
12) Close the Ink Valve.
NOTE: Repeat the steps for any additional printheads.
13) Return the Negative Pressure to the original values.
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14) Open ALL of the Ink Valves.
15) Replace the Printhead Carriage Cover.
16) Purge and Wipe the printheads.

I would next recalibrate negative pressure as this can change slightly with the seasons:
To set Negative Pressure
1) Lower the Negative Pressure
- Go to Topjet => Set => Control System Configuration => Negative Pressure(kp) (kPa)
- Ricoh Printheads - Begin with the Negative Pressure at 3.0kp (kPa)
- Kyocera Printheads - Begin with the Negative Pressure at 4.0kp (kPa)
2) Purge & Wipe the Printhead
- If ink pools quickly on the Nozzle Plate, raise by 0.10 - 0.20kp (kPa) increments
- If ink seeps slowly on the Nozzle Plate, raise by 0.05 - 0.10kp (kPa) increments
3) Adjust until the nozzle plate remains clean after a Purge and Wipe
NOTE: Too much Negative Pressure is just as bad as Too Low Negative Pressure

To check Negative Pressure

• Begin With a Clean Nozzle Plate
• Quickly Press the Purge Button for 0.50 seconds
• A very small amount of Ink will jet from Nozzles
• 95% of ink from all Printheads should draw back up into the Nozzles within 10 - 20 seconds.
• If MORE than 20 seconds, INCREASE Negative Pressure in 0.05kp (kPa) increments
• If LESS than 10 seconds, REDUCE Negative Pressure in 0.05kp (kPa) increments


As far as flushing the printheads, this is a safe procedure, especially on a Gen5:
1) Close Ink Valves.
2) Shut down the printer by pushing the emergency stop button.
3) Disconnect the Ink Tubing from the bottom of the Secondary Filter and replace it with a Male Leur Cap.
Flushing Printhead1-1.jpg

4) Attach a piece of Ink Line Tubing with a Male Leur Fitting to a Syringe.
5) Fill the Syringe full of Flush.
6) Attach a Secondary Filter to the Male Leur Fitting end of the Ink Tubing connected to the Syringe.
7) Connect the Syringe to the Ink Tubing supplying the Printhead.
Flushing Printhead1-2.jpg

8) Uncap the Vent Tube and place it into a bottle/container.
Flushing Printhead2-1.jpg

9) Push two full Syringes of Flush through the Printhead.
Flushing Printhead2-2.jpg

NOTE: The Flush will flow from the Syringe, through the Printhead, and out the Vent Tube into a bottle/container.
10) Cap the Vent Tube.
11) Detach the Ink Line and Syringe from the Secondary Filter.
12) Fill the Syringe with Flush.
13) Attach the Syringe to the Secondary Filter connected to the Ink Supply Tubing.
Flushing Printhead2-3.jpg

14) SLOWLY push one full Syringe of Flush through the Printhead.
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15) Remove the Secondary Filter, Ink Tubing, and Syringe from the Ink Supply Line.
16) Remove the Male Leur Cap and connect the Ink Supply Line to the bottom of the Secondary Filter.
Flushing Printhead3-2.jpg

17) Start the Printer by pushing the Power On button.
18) Open Ink Valves.
19) Burp Remaining Air from the Printhead.
20) Purge and Wipe the Printheads.
 
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