thanks.LOL.. yeah the whole thing... the guy im working for has no clue so(just bought a sign company 5 years ago). it was him and his 11 year oldkid just there wathcing me install it. i finnaly told him to go back to the shop. the only thing i had some trouble with getting the vinyl to sit in grooves to go down that was my fault i had to use to do wet app but it all worked out.. thanks again for offering your help .hey if your on face book add me.. just search mike graphicsbyjarvis jarvis...