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Thats part of the point I was trying to get at. An experienced signmaker really depends on the experience. It's obvious there are exceptions. You are not a self taught vinyl jockey... you can put your dimensional sign work and design up against anyone in the business and know it's going to be...

Are you a self taught sign maker or did you work or train for someone else? Are you any good? What types of signs can you make or design? Vinyl/wrap/non illuminated dimensional/electrical/architectural signs/pylons ADA?

And who are you to tip the pot with your "self" righteous indignation? This has been tried before. You are either having a bad day, have esteem issues, control issues, money problems, kids gone astray, mom, dad or sibling issues, might be drinking (or not drinking) forgot to take your meds...

No unless sarge screen printed.... oh I said it... Looking back at his tame 26 posts/topics and he has to post something like this = troll This place was about due for one.

I vote this as one of the top ten lamest posts ever on Signs101...

Theory or process? I can't imagine having any degree without learning the process of design. The ones I know are expensive. (120-150k) There are books and then easing her into real jobs at your shop... what type of design and sign design is she going to do for you?

Were you at least provided the sign/typeface specification from the NPS Graphic Identity Program? I would not trust those downloads because there are 24 NPS-Rawlinson typefaces...

I heard Dave was. They were also salesmen/project managers for a sign shop where they would frequent the office and we would throw bids their way, they were really good, nice guys to work with.... one day they told me about their venture. I thought it was slightly on the crackpot side but it...

Check out this showroom.... it's aviation theme but it it retro and in the same look/color/texture as the rat rod look. http://www.motoart.com/studio/showroom

ooops, I have this one too.... http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Garages-Kris-Palmer/dp/0760326762/ref=pd_sim_b_6

I forgot to add... we all know what a hot rod garage looks like, but it helps to have a reference. I forgot I had this book. You might want to get it for ideas... http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Rod-Garages-Peter-Vincent/dp/0760326967

I was thinking corrugated galvanized metal siding/wood trim on top and bottom (think Chipotle interior) Some dark walls (Burgundy or dark dark grey almost black or dark digital print on wall) acid stain concrete flooring. Monorail lighting... then add pinstriping, hand lettered signs, digital...

When asked to design an interior retail space, the first thing I ask is... What is your budget? At least you have a theme...

What do you do if they ask what you are doing or asks if you need help? Been tested on that one before... one of the oldest one in the book, and the one test my dad used when he was hiring. His other was handing someone a shovel, if they knew how to use it, they were halfway there to getting a...

I have seen it too... a designer working an a 1-4 person shop can pretty much expect to do or know most of it and expect to clean the toilet if asked. One funny exchange I had my first week on the job was my boss asked me if I can sell when he was out of the shop... I said yes. I told him all...

I would make millions here... or get shot for a 12 pack when I showed up at the door.

I'm going to put on an employer hat for a minute. And this is what scared the crap out of me when I went searching for my 2nd job. Even though you took a shop from being a yard/window sign to a large format with a small plotter, what else do you know? Are you more than a digital sign designer...

If they make 30k, I'm thinking you make less? I would never wait that long. You can tell in 6-9 months the kind of person/company you are working for or how much advancement you can make. The only advice I would give anyone is learn all you can, absorb it like a sponge, then get the shweeze...

No, well, maybe... :Big Laugh ... thats what I did... I bounced around till I found the right fit, all the while picking up skills. I would have stayed at any of the jobs, but like many of the employed at small shops, they had little to offer as far as advancement.

Designers know sign shops pay is usually low. Designers also believe that sign shop design work is generally low end design work. To many designers, it's an ego thing. They will complain and whine and may occasionally spit out a crappy design out of protest, but an underpaid designer that...