Question 3M Custom Vinyl Wrap

[siphon56]

Hello!
I need customized vinyl wrap from 3M. Is it possible to get something like that? For example, we want IJ40C with adhesive of IJ180. Even if we need to buy rolls, we will. Any 3M sales rep or authorized 3M vendors, please let me know, and we can talk in more detail. Thank you!

 

[CanuckSigns]

It won't be a matter of buying rolls, but buying pallets. Also I would think the cost of getting a custom production run like this would cost more per roll than just buying ij180.

 

[somcalmetim]

IJ40 and IJ180 are totally different calendered/cast vinyls but essentially have the same adhesive properties already with air release and slideability...formulating vinyl is 3Ms business, you are talking about funding/formulating an entirely new product line at a multi-national company...I doubt they wouldnt even talk to you, unless you are known in the space to be able to pay for and move the multiple containerloads of product it would require for them to bother formulating and producing a custom vinyl...

 

[siphon56]

IJ40 and IJ180 are totally different calendered/cast vinyls but essentially have the same adhesive properties already with air release and slideability...formulating vinyl is 3Ms business, you are talking about funding/formulating an entirely new product line at a multi-national company...I doubt they wouldnt even talk to you, unless you are known in the space to be able to pay for and move the multiple containerloads of product it would require for them to bother formulating and producing a custom vinyl...

dbrand does it, decal girl does it. It wont be much of the problems. You just need to find a good 3M vendor. I am trying

 

[siphon56]

It won't be a matter of buying rolls, but buying pallets. Also I would think the cost of getting a custom production run like this would cost more per roll than just buying ij180.

We love IJ180C but the thickness is very thin on this. And we are doing skins for phones, laptops. You need to have the wrap a little bit thicker so you can actually apply it.

 

[somcalmetim]

We love IJ180C but the thickness is very thin on this. And we are doing skins for phones, laptops. You need to have the wrap a little bit thicker so you can actually apply it.

You should use IJ180 with the thicker 8509 laminate meant for IJ40C...we can apply laptop sized decals or bigger lammed in 8509 with no premask...only problem is 8509 is only luster finish and they discontinued the gloss version but there are other thick lams...try a thick laminate before you goto the expense of formulating your own vinyl...

 

[BlueRoseAuto]

thicker lam is the way to go. I agree

 

[siphon56]

You should use IJ180 with the thicker 8509 laminate meant for IJ40C...we can apply laptop sized decals or bigger lammed in 8509 with no premask...only problem is 8509 is only luster finish and they discontinued the gloss version but there are other thick lams...try a thick laminate before you goto the expense of formulating your own vinyl...

Here’s the problem we have: we can’t laminate out prints. Because that is where we stand out. We make textured skins so laminating a print which has textures won’t make any sense. If we wanted do laminate a print. We can just print the plain graphic and laminate it to make it thicker. We need a thicker material to print on top of it. Does it make sense? Lemme know your feedback

 

[TheAngryCanadian]

Based on what you’re saying just use 3M 40c , someone said it has the same adhesive and YES it does have same adhesive. There are alternatives too. Could use arlon 4600, 4500 or Avery 2923ez or Orafol 3651ra

Call the manufacturers support lines they will hook you up with a distributor close to you

 

[siphon56]

Based on what you’re saying just use 3M 40c , someone said it has the same adhesive and YES it does have same adhesive. There are alternatives too. Could use arlon 4600, 4500 or Avery 2923ez or Orafol 3651ra

Call the manufacturers support lines they will hook you up with a distributor close to you

This might be really useful. And yes i have tried the adhesive of 40c and 180c. 40c comes no where close to 180c adhesive. We dont want people using a heat gun or hair dryer on their smartphones.

 

[JBurton]

We need a thicker material to print on top of it

IJ180 is 2 mils thick
IJ35 is 3.1 mils
Substance PM3750 is 3.7 mils
Ultracurve 660LSE is 6.6 mils
There are tons of other products out there, get off your a$$ and start ordering samples and stop messing with the ij180. It's far from economical to combine 2 rolls, $400 each, than it is to find a product that is as thick as you like with adhesive that you like.
Or yeah, holler at 3m, they'll probably squeeze a custom order out in under a month that you can test right before 'launch'.

 

[siphon56]

IJ180 is 2 mils thick
IJ35 is 3.1 mils
Substance PM3750 is 3.7 mils
Ultracurve 660LSE is 6.6 mils
There are tons of other products out there, get off your a$$ and start ordering samples and stop messing with the ij180. It's far from economical to combine 2 rolls, $400 each, than it is to find a product that is as thick as you like with adhesive that you like.
Or yeah, holler at 3m, they'll probably squeeze a custom order out in under a month that you can test right before 'launch'.

Let me look at those materials and try to get samples of it. Thanks for the feedback tho

 

[somcalmetim]

Here’s the problem we have: we can’t laminate out prints. Because that is where we stand out. We make textured skins so laminating a print which has textures won’t make any sense. If we wanted do laminate a print. We can just print the plain graphic and laminate it to make it thicker. We need a thicker material to print on top of it. Does it make sense? Lemme know your feedback

Hmmm, ya I guess you are either going to have to build a multi-layered vinyl sandwich of something like ij180 then black 2080 vinyl, then ij180 with textured print...
or get out the big cheque book for a bulk order of custom vinyl...
I just didnt really think 3M did smaller custom runs of vinyl given their habit of making nice vinyl colors and then discontinuing the entire sku...they even shutter popular colors like 2080 Gold Metallic...

 

[ProColorGraphics]

Let me look at those materials and try to get samples of it. Thanks for the feedback tho

You would want 3755, which is their version with Air Egress. The RS-275 is theirs that has a lower initial tack. They are AWESOME to work with and will definitely get you samples to test out.

 

[JBurton]

They are AWESOME to work with

They really are, and care about their products. I got a call from them at 5pm at the office while I was out in the print room. Nobody told me they'd called until nearly 6. I figured what the hey and called them, and sure enough someone answered the phone at 7pm their time.

 

[CanuckSigns]

dbrand does it, decal girl does it. It wont be much of the problems. You just need to find a good 3M vendor. I am trying

Are you doing the kind of volume dbrand is? They are a massive operation that would buy vinyl by the container load.

 

[siphon56]

Based on what you’re saying just use 3M 40c , someone said it has the same adhesive and YES it does have same adhesive. There are alternatives too. Could use arlon 4600, 4500 or Avery 2923ez or Orafol 3651ra

Call the manufacturers support lines they will hook you up with a distributor close to you

Sounds good! Thanks for your help on this.

 

[siphon56]

Are you doing the kind of volume dbrand is? They are a massive operation that would buy vinyl by the container load.

Lmao we wish but we dont have budget for load containers. But in future we might.

 

[siphon56]

You would want 3755, which is their version with Air Egress. The RS-275 is theirs that has a lower initial tack. They are AWESOME to work with and will definitely get you samples to test out.

What company are you referring to?

 

[ProColorGraphics]

What company are you referring to?

This is Substance Media.