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ADA sign requirement changes in Arizona????

Discussion in 'General Signmaking Topics' started by Desert_Signs, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. Desert_Signs

    Desert_Signs Active Member

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    I had a customer call me today and tell me that he failed his CFO because his ADA signs were not compliant. Weird. I made them to 2010 ADA standards. I asked him what, specifically, the inspector said was non-compliant. He told me that the State of Arizona has now adopted California ADA standards for restroom signs.

    Now, this is news to me. I called the city planning office (from which the inspector was dispatched) and have not heard back yet.

    Just though I'd ask if any of you had heard this. My customers aren't going to particularly happy if they have to start buying 2 signs for every restroom... I might be, but they won't. :wink:
     
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  2. visual800

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    One of my favorite subjects...ADA! Im sorry some people have handicaps, I really am but we have allowed the gov to come in and make this an ADA world. Braille, height provisions, bathrooms large enuff to park a damn suburban in. Bars on everything and a handicapped parking spot for every 2 regular.....it has totally gotten out of hand.

    In your situation I would love to see what could possbly be diff from CA to AZ in the signage. maybe the height? OH WAIT maybe the braille is now in spanish! thats it!

    I would try and pull that up on google and read the requirements but I really aint got time for all that plus I doubt I would understand what I am reading.
     
  3. Desert_Signs

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    California requires geometric shapes, triangles for men, circles for women, triangle in a circle for unisex (all 12"!), mounted to the door, as well as standard ADA signs mounted on the wall next to the door. I think that's the major difference. I very rarely do california style ADA.

    Fortunately, I got an answer. The inspector was new. City Planning Manager called me back and let me know he would get the misinformation corrected!
     
  4. ADASignOutlet

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    AZ ADA sign requirements

    Just yesterday got an order from a client in AZ wanting restroom wall AND door signs. I asked him if it was for a CA project. He said that AZ now requires restroom door signs the same as CA. I don't know whether this was just local or statewide. I will see if I can get a copy of the AZ building code.

    Also I believe Gene in AZ does ADA signs--so he probably knows the latest wrinkles in AZ.
     
  5. Desert_Signs

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    $5 says it was a crossfit place in Glendale, AZ. :wink:

    He didn't think we could make California-compliant ADA because it didn't specify on our website. :noway:
     
  6. ADASignOutlet

    ADASignOutlet New Member

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    I don't know what type of company--he ordered as an individual--but he's in Flagstaff. Just put my $5 on account:smile:
     
  7. Desert_Signs

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    Good thing I didn't say $50! :omg:

    Well, that's interesting...

    2 people in 2 different cities saying the same thing on the same day... I'm going to have to research this more.
     
  8. Rick

    Rick Certified Enneadecagon Designer

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    Rick Certified Enneadecagon Designer

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    The problem with looking for a code that does not exist is,
    how are you able to google something that's not there?

    You're issue seems to be solved, just a rogue inspector.
    I was going to suggest that the inspector give you that particular
    code reference.

    Here in California, I just got word a few months back that
    evacuation signs are required to have 5/8" copy. That would
    make a normally 12" x 12" sign twice the size. Having a small
    argument with a code specialist, a good designer should see
    this as a challenge.... no, I see big arsed signs.

    I'm always going through various code inspections and occasionally
    getting these odd issue of misinterpretation. Recently, I had a large
    submittal for review to a city who gave it to their ADA consultant,
    after going back and forth with them, built the signs, installed them
    and they were rejected by the inspector.... the same inspector who handed
    off my drawings to his consultant who approved them...
     
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