Welcome To Signs101.com: Largest Forum for Signmaking Professionals

Signs101.com: Largest Forum for Signmaking Professionals is the LARGEST online community & discussion forum for professional sign-makers and graphic designers.

 


  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Big Brother - and not from the gov't

Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by Bigdawg, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. Bigdawg

    Bigdawg Just Me

    7,409
    114
    63
    Jun 8, 2005
    Sunny Florida
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/06/opinion/rushkoff-online-monitoring/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    This is troublesome on a lot of levels. I believe that you should use the tools at your disposal to protect your copyrighted material. But having the ISPs sniff packets just in case you might have done something wrong? If you read the article, it shows how you can be labeled a pirate without even downloading anything...

    Just wondered what everyone else's thoughts are on this. While I know my ISP has access to anything I view/download/search on the internet... this presumption of guilt first (all must be monitored!) bothers me.

    Boy has the world changed... and I'm thinking it's not for the good...
     
    Tags:
  2. 2B

    2B Moderator

    2,465
    187
    63
    May 5, 2011
    TX
    So much for the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
     
  3. signswi

    signswi Very Active Member

    2,136
    1
    0
    Oct 29, 2009
    Doesn't apply as it's a private network, at least that's how the courts view it right now. Personally I think internet providers should be regulated as only dumb pipes and fall under utility classification. The DoJ is toothless though and ISPs are more concerned with their own content than they are with the business of being an ISP (the networks of which they built largely with taxpayer subsidies...).

    If you don't like this kind of thing (I've been lobbying against it for decades), donate to the EFF at http://eff.org/


    However this is a political topic, Fred may close this thread. I do think it's as much business as politics though.
     
  4. Gino

    Gino Major Contributor

    30,249
    1,298
    113
    Jun 7, 2006
    PA
    I agree, it's a different mindset. However, with the way the world is pushing us into doing and exposing everything we have on the internet..... do your banking on-line, do your groceries on-line, find your next date or spouse on-line, games, e-mail, and so much more..... we have trapped ourselves into a corner by being lazy. Yes, lazy.

    The world has made us think we can't get along without progress [computers], when all it did was to create a world of people dependent upon a single source and now we're trapped and can't go backwards.

    Ever wonder what we all did before cell phones, answering machines, texting and internet porn ?? We did this stuff on our own and were responsible, but now we just hit the 'send' button and everything is magically now 'taken care of'.

    We used to have to write grocery lists, dial phone numbers or get a road map to get somewhere.

    I'm not against progress, but it comes with a price and not only with money, but possible life changing habits.
    • Instead of a grocery list, I see people calling on the cell phone the entire time getting the list as they go.
    • Instead of dialing your friend or a company and knowing or looking up their number, just punch in speed dial.
    • Instead of planning out a trip and calculating everything, punch it into your GPS and somebody is monitoring your every movement.

    So, we've set ourselves up for this and it's not at all by accident.

    :unclesam:
     
  5. Bigdawg

    Bigdawg Just Me

    7,409
    114
    63
    Jun 8, 2005
    Sunny Florida
    Very much not political... unless you make it one. It's about private enterprise taking over that big brother role... so let's leave it to that conversation. And if it gets political I'll be sure to close the thread.

    and eff is great - they've gotten more than one of my dimes :smile:
     
  6. SD&F

    SD&F Very Active Member

    1,217
    1
    0
    Oct 4, 2009
    It seems everytime we look up, we are exposing ourselves and not in a good way.
    We are loosing our privacy and rights, bit by bit....so we don't notice until it's tooo late.
     
  7. i'm sure this has been repeated thought history, everyday is more advanced than the previous, there is no getting around it.

    we will survive.
     
  8. john1

    john1 Guest

    Just put a micro chip in everyone and get it over with. The worlds going in the crapper.
     
  9. Mike F

    Mike F Active Member

    750
    1
    18
    May 11, 2011
    Between this and the domestic UAV drones law enforcement will be rolling out in the next 2 years, I'm seriously considering reviving my plan to get a bunch of people together and buy an island somewhere far, far away from civilization.
     
  10. peavey123

    peavey123 Active Member

    868
    11
    18
    Jul 25, 2007
    Ontario Canada
  11. WCSign

    WCSign Member

    358
    1
    18
    Mar 12, 2012
    Bay Area
    not to get political.. but why isnt there a political section on here lol

    I could go all day on this topic and the warping of the american dream
     
  12. ThinkRight

    ThinkRight Active Member

    810
    3
    18
    Nov 13, 2011
    Atlanta Ga
    Cause Fred said so.
    And to keep it Peaceful here,this forum would not last a month if it got political.
     
  13. Bigdawg

    Bigdawg Just Me

    7,409
    114
    63
    Jun 8, 2005
    Sunny Florida
    There was once... and thankfully it is gone now....
     
  14. Gino

    Gino Major Contributor

    30,249
    1,298
    113
    Jun 7, 2006
    PA
    Not quite. Fred had a section just for this, but it spilled out into the rest of the site without even trying. Although the threads got very heated up and no one could bash the other over the head to see their points, I must admit, there were quite a few times I found something out about the other side, that made me do more research and could see how/what and why others were thinking what it was they were thinking.

    It lasted quite some time, before it came to a stop... and it was a good thing it did, cause like you said..... politics, the religion topics and many other things, just brought the meaness and tempers out of everybody. Many people were sorry for some of the things they said.... long after the thread would die down, but you can't stop people from having feelings linger on.

    If we could've kept it and discussed, debated and decide to just have two and three sides to everything it would've been fine. But not this crowd... present company included. :rock-n-roll:
     
  15. Brad Knight

    Brad Knight Member

    59
    0
    0
    Jun 7, 2012
    I think that the ISPs have been put in this situation in large part to cover their own rears because of laws like the DMCA - they can be held liable if they knowingly allow copyrighted material, or even if they don't take positive active to prevent the transmission of copyrighted material...

    ... the REAL kicker though is that even though these ISP's are essentially middle men, a lot of them are also becoming the media producers that are pushing for the laws to protect the copyrights... spending a lot of cash in the political process.

    ... and BTW, I don't think it's 'political' in nature because both political parties do it - it's just about who donates the most to the winning party - doesn't matter which one it is that wins.
     
  16. Farmboy

    Farmboy Active Member

    730
    1
    18
    Feb 8, 2007
    Auburn, NY
    I'm pretty sure Google would find you, have a map to your island and a street level view of your front door.
     
  17. WCSign

    WCSign Member

    358
    1
    18
    Mar 12, 2012
    Bay Area
    ahhh I see.. We have one on my forums that works well, but its probably not as heated because its not a politically active crowd, save for a few. It never spills over into the rest of the forum

    I get it going on facebook alot... the problem is that most people cant have a point by point debate without calling names or saying incindiary things
     
Loading...

Share This Page

 


Loading...