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Big Brother - and not from the gov't

Bigdawg

Bigdawg

Just Me
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/06/opinion/rushkoff-online-monitoring/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Under normal circumstances, your Internet service provider, or ISP, tries to protect you and your data from spying eyes. Cablevision, Time Warner Cable (an independent company no longer directly affiliated with TimeWarner, the parent of CNN and this site) and Comcast utilize all sorts of software to keep the connections between our modems and their servers safe. They also encourage us to keep our home networks secure from eavesdroppers.

But what are we supposed to do when the eavesdropper is the ISP itself?

This is the most disturbing question raised by a new alliance among America's biggest ISPs and media giants such as Disney, Sony and Fox, which is to go into effect this month. The effort, dubbed the Center for Copyright Information, hopes to combat the illegal downloading and sharing of movies and music by monitoring it at the source - your computer.
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This is troublesome on a lot of levels. I believe that you should use the tools at your disposal to protect your copyrighted material. But having the ISPs sniff packets just in case you might have done something wrong? If you read the article, it shows how you can be labeled a pirate without even downloading anything...

Just wondered what everyone else's thoughts are on this. While I know my ISP has access to anything I view/download/search on the internet... this presumption of guilt first (all must be monitored!) bothers me.

Boy has the world changed... and I'm thinking it's not for the good...
 
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signswi

New Member
2B said:
So much for the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
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Doesn't apply as it's a private network, at least that's how the courts view it right now. Personally I think internet providers should be regulated as only dumb pipes and fall under utility classification. The DoJ is toothless though and ISPs are more concerned with their own content than they are with the business of being an ISP (the networks of which they built largely with taxpayer subsidies...).

If you don't like this kind of thing (I've been lobbying against it for decades), donate to the EFF at http://eff.org/


However this is a political topic, Fred may close this thread. I do think it's as much business as politics though.
 
Gino

Gino

Premium Subscriber
I agree, it's a different mindset. However, with the way the world is pushing us into doing and exposing everything we have on the internet..... do your banking on-line, do your groceries on-line, find your next date or spouse on-line, games, e-mail, and so much more..... we have trapped ourselves into a corner by being lazy. Yes, lazy.

The world has made us think we can't get along without progress [computers], when all it did was to create a world of people dependent upon a single source and now we're trapped and can't go backwards.

Ever wonder what we all did before cell phones, answering machines, texting and internet porn ?? We did this stuff on our own and were responsible, but now we just hit the 'send' button and everything is magically now 'taken care of'.

We used to have to write grocery lists, dial phone numbers or get a road map to get somewhere.

I'm not against progress, but it comes with a price and not only with money, but possible life changing habits.
  • Instead of a grocery list, I see people calling on the cell phone the entire time getting the list as they go.
  • Instead of dialing your friend or a company and knowing or looking up their number, just punch in speed dial.
  • Instead of planning out a trip and calculating everything, punch it into your GPS and somebody is monitoring your every movement.

So, we've set ourselves up for this and it's not at all by accident.

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Bigdawg

Bigdawg

Just Me
signswi said:
Doesn't apply as it's a private network, at least that's how the courts view it right now. Personally I think internet providers should be regulated as only dumb pipes and fall under utility classification. The DoJ is toothless though and ISPs are more concerned with their own content than they are with the business of being an ISP (the networks of which they built largely with taxpayer subsidies...).

If you don't like this kind of thing (I've been lobbying against it for decades), donate to the EFF at http://eff.org/


However this is a political topic, Fred may close this thread. I do think it's as much business as politics though.
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Very much not political... unless you make it one. It's about private enterprise taking over that big brother role... so let's leave it to that conversation. And if it gets political I'll be sure to close the thread.

and eff is great - they've gotten more than one of my dimes :smile:
 
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SD&F

New Member
It seems everytime we look up, we are exposing ourselves and not in a good way.
We are loosing our privacy and rights, bit by bit....so we don't notice until it's tooo late.
 
ddarlak

ddarlak

Go Bills!
So, we've set ourselves up for this and it's not at all by accident.
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i'm sure this has been repeated thought history, everyday is more advanced than the previous, there is no getting around it.

we will survive.
 
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john1

Guest
Just put a micro chip in everyone and get it over with. The worlds going in the crapper.
 
Mike F

Mike F

New Member
Between this and the domestic UAV drones law enforcement will be rolling out in the next 2 years, I'm seriously considering reviving my plan to get a bunch of people together and buy an island somewhere far, far away from civilization.
 
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WCSign

New Member
not to get political.. but why isnt there a political section on here lol

I could go all day on this topic and the warping of the american dream
 
Gino

Gino

Premium Subscriber
ThinkRight said:
Cause Fred said so.
And to keep it Peaceful here,this forum would not last a month if it got political.
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Not quite. Fred had a section just for this, but it spilled out into the rest of the site without even trying. Although the threads got very heated up and no one could bash the other over the head to see their points, I must admit, there were quite a few times I found something out about the other side, that made me do more research and could see how/what and why others were thinking what it was they were thinking.

It lasted quite some time, before it came to a stop... and it was a good thing it did, cause like you said..... politics, the religion topics and many other things, just brought the meaness and tempers out of everybody. Many people were sorry for some of the things they said.... long after the thread would die down, but you can't stop people from having feelings linger on.

If we could've kept it and discussed, debated and decide to just have two and three sides to everything it would've been fine. But not this crowd... present company included. :rock-n-roll:
 
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Brad Knight

New Member
I think that the ISPs have been put in this situation in large part to cover their own rears because of laws like the DMCA - they can be held liable if they knowingly allow copyrighted material, or even if they don't take positive active to prevent the transmission of copyrighted material...

... the REAL kicker though is that even though these ISP's are essentially middle men, a lot of them are also becoming the media producers that are pushing for the laws to protect the copyrights... spending a lot of cash in the political process.

... and BTW, I don't think it's 'political' in nature because both political parties do it - it's just about who donates the most to the winning party - doesn't matter which one it is that wins.
 
Farmboy

Farmboy

New Member
Mike F said:
Between this and the domestic UAV drones law enforcement will be rolling out in the next 2 years, I'm seriously considering reviving my plan to get a bunch of people together and buy an island somewhere far, far away from civilization.
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I'm pretty sure Google would find you, have a map to your island and a street level view of your front door.
 
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WCSign

New Member
ahhh I see.. We have one on my forums that works well, but its probably not as heated because its not a politically active crowd, save for a few. It never spills over into the rest of the forum

I get it going on facebook alot... the problem is that most people cant have a point by point debate without calling names or saying incindiary things
 
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