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Discussion in 'Tips & Tricks' started by Image signs, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Image signs

    Image signs New Member

    May 25, 2012
    Im trying to layer a decal together its only text and when i do i keep getting small air bubbles any ideas would be great.
  2. 401Graphics

    401Graphics Very Active Member

    dont layer it until you install it. then apply the layers wet.

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  3. Image signs

    Image signs New Member

    May 25, 2012
    Im not sure i would be able to do that because it would be hard to see to layer them. What im doing is making an 18"x64" strip of vinly across the window then applying the logos to that.
  4. john1

    john1 Guest

    The transfer tape while wet allow you to see through it. Pretty basic honestly.
  5. SignProPlus-Chip

    SignProPlus-Chip Active Member

    Feb 19, 2012
    Bluffton, SC
    Or set up your decals with registration, or cut all of your mask to the same size, with the layer registered within that size. Then you just line up the edges of the mask with tape on the window. This way you can put it up in seconds.

    Also, as previously mentioned mask become more translucent when wet. With the right app fluid you can float the graphic, move it into place while seeing through the mask, the squeegee it down with no bubbles.
  6. DizzyMarkus

    DizzyMarkus Active Member

    Jan 23, 2012
    Is the customer picking it up to install themselves?

    If NOT use reggy marks and layer on substrate-- lol only peel around reggy marks until taped hinged where ya want it :0)

  7. bob

    bob Major Contributor

    Nov 4, 2005
    So? apply the strip and then apply whatever you have on top of it. It's not rocket surgery. Pay no attention to the do it wet or do it dry crowd. Do it however you are comfortable. If that would be wet then try to advance beyond that stage in your development sometime soon.

    Bubbles? Bubbles are almost always the result of bad squeegee technique. Either through not paying attention or not knowing any better. Proper squeegee technique has be covered extensively in these waters, try a search.

    Registration? Do as someone previously mentioned; Put a bounding rectangle around the entire image and cut that rectangle with each layer. Mask all the layers and cut the masked image to the bounding rectangle. Each masked layer should be exactly the same size. Position the first layer and mark a four edges of the mask with tape or marker or snot or whatever. Register subsequent layers to those marks. Again not rocket surgery.

    Not needing registration? Then you're really not doing layers, you're just applying vinyl where the substrate just happens to be vinyl.
  8. wraprat

    wraprat New Member

    Sep 1, 2010
    deerfield beach florida
    I never do layers but have been sent layered vinyl for install. After the anger subsides I apply the vinyl with a felt squeege and hope for the best
  9. signgirl

    signgirl Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    When installing layered vinyls you usually end up with more bubbles after installing it to substrate.
  10. Pat Whatley

    Pat Whatley Major Contributor

    Sep 29, 2003
    Wetumpka, AL
    They make clear transfer tape, you know. nice stuff, you should try it.
  11. DizzyMarkus

    DizzyMarkus Active Member

    Jan 23, 2012
    signgirl please explain lol -- this has happened to me on many occasions and I as always try to becareful careful. They are always around the edges

  12. skyhigh

    skyhigh Major Contributor

    Jun 16, 2005
    True most of the time, although sometimes that can be difficult with certain color combinations. I do this a lot though. Vinyl on vinyl (wet) sticks really well, and seldom traps any water.

    Someone mentioned clear transfer tape. Problem is, you still have the backer paper (unless you're using 3m 7725 series, with the clear backer). And you can't do wet using the clear (possibly that has changed over the years, or they reinvented the clear?). I tried the clear when it first came out, and hated it.....so maybe I don't know the tricks to using it.

    I do the registration mark method, or wet.....or both.
    As everyone else has mentioned......you can't apply pre-layered vinyls without a bunch of air pockets.
  13. haidenmorgan

    haidenmorgan New Member

    Oct 26, 2012
    No more bubbles or complaints.

    Best advice is right there bud. After years of experience, just do it the nice and hard way and you get the nice and awesome results you want. No more bubble poking, heating, none of that crap. Use registration marks and an application fluid, good quality tape and vinyl helps here too.

    Choice of vinyl: CAST, why? Calendered vinyl is just going to disappoint your customers. All it takes is a quick explanation of the benefits of cast vs. cal (call your supplier for that if YOU DONT KNOW YOU SHOULD KNOW).

    Choice of app fluid: 1 tsp CHEAP baby shampoo:1/2 Gal Distilled Water.

    Squeegee HARD and clean and prep your surface with dial soap/water/scrubber if DIRTY, then follow with water rinse, then a good 1-2 91% isopropyl alcohol passes with microfiber and you should be fine my friend.

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