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Cold weather install

Salmoneye

New Member
Hi guys, I have not installed vinyl outdoors in cold weather. Today the high here is going to be 31 degrees. Will I have problems installing truck doors and back window? Any tips or tricks?
 

cptcorn

adad
If it's my shop... Someone needs it NOW, and outside... the product holds no warranty, and no guarentee of how it will turn out after the installation.

Yes you will have problems. The only advice I can give you is do not heat the glass up with a heat gun... it will crack/shatter.
 

Salmoneye

New Member
I guess I don't have any idea how I should expect it turn out. How does vinyl act in the cold? What should I look out for? What is the min temp we should install in?
 

diamondavenue

New Member
rapid tac II or lay dry. clean and degrease fast. especially if you are not accustomed to cold weather your hands will be freezing, and then when you cant feel them it gets tough.
 

Salmoneye

New Member
I am not familiar with rapid tac 1 or 2 All I have ever used is a little squirt of dish soap, alcohol and water mixture.
What is the difference between the two?
 

TheSnowman

New Member
You can do it just like normal. You may or may not hate your life if you do it wet. When you do them wet like that, sometimes they don't stick well. I did a bunch of bank hours in town last week when it was like 30, so it can be done. It won't stick NEAR like it does when you do it in the warm, but it'll hold till the sun bakes it on later...normally. The no warranty idea is a good idea for a backup, since it isn't the BEST way to do it.
 

Mosh

New Member
A HEATED GARAGE! It is just part of the business, you don't see body shops painting cars outside. Or are you just a part-timer using a cricut? If you are in business be a professional, lettering a truck outside in these temps would be far from that.
 

Salmoneye

New Member
I don't have a beautiful shop like you do Mosh. Hopefully one day I can afford a cricut. Shit talking aside I do want to know what vinyl performs like in the cold. Today it might be something I can pull into the garage and tomorrow it might be the heavy equipment that I can't take inside. As far as being a professional, that is exactly what I am doing. Seeking information at the best resource that I have found to either learn a trick or make sure that I am not turning out a low quality product that will fail and disappoint my customer. I have a $30k printer but if a guy was wanting some information on how to do something that wouldn't fail on his Cricut, he asked in earnest and I had that information, I would pass it along as well.

Look at me, I sounded 'testy'. Thank you for the info guys, I do appreciate it.
 

cptcorn

adad
I don't have a beautiful shop like you do Mosh. Hopefully one day I can afford a cricut. Shit talking aside I do want to know what vinyl performs like in the cold. Today it might be something I can pull into the garage and tomorrow it might be the heavy equipment that I can't take inside. As far as being a professional, that is exactly what I am doing. Seeking information at the best resource that I have found to either learn a trick or make sure that I am not turning out a low quality product that will fail and disappoint my customer. I have a $30k printer but if a guy was wanting some information on how to do something that wouldn't fail on his Cricut, he asked in earnest and I had that information, I would pass it along as well.

Look at me, I sounded 'testy'. Thank you for the info guys, I do appreciate it.

No material will work better than any other material. You're problem is the temperature... It will freeze all material... This is advice given from someone that's lived and worked their entire life in Minnesota. You live in Texas, wait until its 60 degrees.
 

Jester1167

Premium Subscriber
Installing outside in freezing temps is not advised. If I remember right, the manufactures say not to install below 45degs.

With that being said, most of us have had a situation where we had no choice but to install in colder than ideal temperatures.

I don't install wet, and definatly wouldn't go wet in freezing temperatures.

My method is to clean the vehicle then preheat the area with a torch. Preheating will drive the moisture off the surface (when you do it you will see what I mean) and slighly raise the surface temperature.

Install the graphic carefully because the vinyl will be very brittle. You can't really snap up the graphic.

After it is installed and with the mask still on, I will heat the entire graphic with a torch then remove the liner. If you keep the torch in on place to long the mask will burn.

Sometimes I will post heat with the torch if there are sharp points or thin lines.

If you don't have a heated garage, try and find one or another business that has one that you can trade with. It really is a necessity.
 

Mosh

New Member
Most material data sheets say right on it to not to install under 40 degrees. BTW It IS part of being in business, having a place to do your work. Wasn't trying to be a smart a$$.
 

Salmoneye

New Member
You are always a 'smart ass' Mosh, but that is part of what I like about the site. Thank you everyone for the info, I have learned a lot. I know there will be a day when someone needs something done that can't be moved inside and now I am better prepared. Even though I am in TX we can go for weeks without the temps getting above freezing, I would have never thought it before I moved here.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Let's assume it needs to be done outdoors.
Then YOU assume all responsibility if it fails.

It won't necessarily fail, but the odds are against you... especially since you are not used to this sort of installation.

There's a reason that all of the manufacturers stand firmly behind doing this stuff in 50° or above. Sure, there are all kinds of after market juices that might work.... but then again..... they might not work.

I'm not sure what mushputz meant, but he's correct from what I read. There is a degree of professionalism that goes with our line of work and when something should not be done.... we tell the customer IT should not be done. Regardless of your level of expertise, equipment or money invested.... there is something in saying a backyard hack should not waste a customer's money if he can't perform the task at hand, just to make a quick buck.
 

Mosh

New Member
Up here in Nebraska a heated shop is a must. It has only gotten above 30 2 days since November. BTW my shop's heating bill last month was $1,700 so I have to plan for that part of it too, but we were nice and warm so it was money well spent.
 

luggnut

New Member
i've taken one of those blowing kerosene heaters and let it blow on the door for 15 minutes or so the the door was warm and the metal of the door stayed warm enough to get the job done. never tried it on the glass... maybe you could blow the heat towards the glass for a little while to heat the whole glass?

i have a garage bay now so i don't have to do this crazy stuff... but if there is any way to get it in doors or wait til warmer days that would be the thing to do.
 

Jester1167

Premium Subscriber
Another way to get indoors for larger machinery is to ask if they lease and have service agreement. Sometime they can get you in the leasing companies facility to install.

And, if you hear "I'm buying a new" have them work in graphics install indoors at the Dealership.
 
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