Font ID Please- Colden & Curtis Canoes

[Jillbeans]

Need to rebuild these for a canoe rendezvous banner.
I can redraw the Curtis one but would really appreciate knowing the fonts in the Colden logo.
for looking.
Sorry if the pix are small, it's all I have to go on.
Love....Jill

 

[signmeup]

Colden = Palatino Linotype... bold

I think Curtis might be hand did.

 

[signmeup]

Segoe Print is the closest I have to the "crossing boundaries" part.

 

[Jillbeans]

Thanks Adrian.