Hi All, I'm quoting on 200 for sale signs (3x2') on coroplast with eyelets. My original quote was $4700 but they got another for $1700 from a company that does these in bulk full time. They print direct to substrate but I'm printing to vinyl then mounting it. It's hard to know how much labour to allow for having not done a job this size before. Does anybody have any suggestions what to do/how to charge in this situation? They're happy to pay me more than the other company knowing I'm local and produce a better quality product, but I obviously need to get my price down a fair way. Any help appreciated.
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bikecomedy
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How many colors? Single sided?
thesignguy1986
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Price is right on if its 1 sided. I can personally print them and have them done in 1 day with material in stock and id be at $1600. that's also printing them on vinyl and them mounting it easily with a big squeegee to save time . $4700 imo is way to high. 4700 for 200 signs? $23.50 a sign? Seems extremely high to me
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When I look at this I see 40 4'x8' coro sheet and cost of vinyl and ink. I'm looking for myself at $1020 for cost of it all plus labor. Lets say 6 hours so that's $100 an hr. which seems on to me
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When I look at this I see 40 4'x8' coro sheet and cost of vinyl and ink. I'm looking for myself at $1020 for cost of it all plus labor. Lets say 6 hours so that's $100 an hr. which seems on to me
thesignguy1986
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I do not price my jobs according to that method but what I was trying to get across & say was they would very easily do it for that price. You are correct about 50 sheets so the flutes are correct but you can mount it incredibly fast. I can personally mount a 4' x 8' with big squeegee in roughly 30 seconds. That is 4 signs in just a few seconds. Yes you need to trim them but that is quite simple. As I said I would be charging $8 a sign after price break down and markup. For these big companies when you break it down to that profit margin though that's a no brainer. Even if it took me 8-9 hours I would still have it at the same price. You run 1 printer all day doing that and having an employee mount and trim while others are printing and myself I would be finishing other work. Simple and just because you don't agree with the price doesn't mean its not the right price
Gino
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We have a customer that we routinely provide about 500 to 600 30" x 30" 2-sided signs with grommets and it takes us about 5 days to print, cut and grommet.
200 would take about 1 long day.
Pricing... ?? You're a tad high, but I wouldn't touch them for $8.50 each using vinyl..... no way, no how. If I ain't gonna get paid well, I might as well be doing something I like..... and it ain't knocking myself out for peanuts.
200 would take about 1 long day.
Pricing... ?? You're a tad high, but I wouldn't touch them for $8.50 each using vinyl..... no way, no how. If I ain't gonna get paid well, I might as well be doing something I like..... and it ain't knocking myself out for peanuts.
FireSprint.com
Trade Only Screen & Digital Sign Printing
The other guy is giving them a GREAT price if it's digital, regardless of direct to substrate or not. I wonder if there was something missing in the original quote - I wouldn't be surprised either way. If these could be screen printed with 3 colors (or even 4 standard spot colors) or less, we can really help you get to that price. If they need to be digitally printed, we could match that price, but you would need to do some added value to get your margin so it's probably not worth it.
What really beats this up are the eyelets (I assume we're talking about grommets here).
...And then I realized you're on the other side of the pond.
What really beats this up are the eyelets (I assume we're talking about grommets here).
...And then I realized you're on the other side of the pond.
Gino
Premium Subscriber
So I'm not crazy....
Yes, you're still crazy. One good idea slipping through doesn't prevent you from still being crazy.... or just about anything else. :Big Laugh
HulkSmash
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We do jobs like this daily. 8.5 ea is actually pricey for direct to coro prints via flatbeds. you won't be able to compete, printing and mounting, unfortunately.
HulkSmash
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I can fit 5 of those on 1 sheet of coro, and print 15 sheet of coro an Hr on our flatbed that's 2.5 hrs of printing.
And 1 guy can cut all 40 sheets out in 1 - 2 hrs. Or you can cnc them in like 45 minutes.
I'm out about 380 bucks on material, ink and labor. That's 1300 bucks in profit under 4 hrs. 1 guy only working on this.I'd do those at 1700 all day, every day.
And 1 guy can cut all 40 sheets out in 1 - 2 hrs. Or you can cnc them in like 45 minutes.
I'm out about 380 bucks on material, ink and labor. That's 1300 bucks in profit under 4 hrs. 1 guy only working on this.I'd do those at 1700 all day, every day.
Gino
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I thought this was double sided with grommets. Can you still do it in that time adding in a second side, registering and putting in 400 grommets ??
Wow, 600 sq ft an hour must be nice....... 
Is that normal production or high speed ??
Is that normal production or high speed ??
HulkSmash
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I thought this was double sided with grommets. Can you still do it in that time adding in a second side, registering and putting in 400 grommets ??Wow, 600 sq ft an hour must be nice.......
He said single side. So that's what i'm talking about.
obviously double sided would take twice as long to print.
This is on production mode. No one on this earth would do cheap coro signs on high speed
I can do 15 an hr on production and about 8-9 on highspeed. Then there's + modes for fine texts and what not.. so even longer for that. But for a job like this it isn't necessary.
Gino
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:Oops:
Sorry, never saw that. My bad. Yeah, then that price is completely doable. However, it would still take us longer to print.
edit: do you mean high speed or high quality ?? We get more printed on high speed then normal production or high quality. We're printing some high quality backlit prints and it seems like they're taking forever.
Sorry, never saw that. My bad. Yeah, then that price is completely doable. However, it would still take us longer to print.
edit: do you mean high speed or high quality ?? We get more printed on high speed then normal production or high quality. We're printing some high quality backlit prints and it seems like they're taking forever.
Locals Find!
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I haven't read through all the comments but, my quote for a job like this comes out to $3500.00
The numbers your saying he is quoting you seem a lot like a few trade only businesses I send work out too.
I wouldn't be surprised to find a "trade-only" shop selling to a retail customer with trade prices.
The numbers your saying he is quoting you seem a lot like a few trade only businesses I send work out too.
I wouldn't be surprised to find a "trade-only" shop selling to a retail customer with trade prices.
Gino
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Not when you are set up differently.
If we have in-house capabilities to screen print retail or wholesale and you have to souce it out regardless...... is it a written rule that we have to raise our prices to extremes so you can be competitive ??
Of course not, so if we can produce all day long and still make really good money and you still have to out-source it..... how is that fit your equation of being 'trade-only' businesses cause we are less money for the end-user ?? To me, you just sound like 'sour-grapes'.
What's that ?? psst.... psst..... psst............. Oh, yeah..... you're a broker.
Locals Find!
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Not when you are set up differently.
If we have in-house capabilities to screen print retail or wholesale and you have to souce it out regardless...... is it a written rule that we have to raise our prices to extremes so you can be competitive ??
Of course not, so if we can produce all day long and still make really good money and you still have to out-source it..... how is that fit your equation of being 'trade-only' businesses cause we are less money for the end-user ?? To me, you just sound like 'sour-grapes'.
What's that ?? psst.... psst..... psst............. Oh, yeah..... you're a broker.
Gino, I don't even know where you twisted warped mind went with that. Last I checked your shop wasn't "Trade-Only" you do outside sales and sell to the trade also.
Your business model and capabilities has no bearing or anything at all to do with my post. Nor does your pricing model. My comment reflected on the fact that the prices the OPs clients presented seemed to match up really really damn close to some supposedly "trade only" shops I ran the details through to come up with a quote.
Again Gino you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills they are sorely lacking lately.
Gino
Premium Subscriber
:ROFLMAO:.... you are one funny dude.... Addie.
You don't need to tell me what to do...... I invite you to try figuring out why you need $3,500 to do a job just about anyone set up well can do for 1/2 that.
The OP is asking for pricing structures, ideas and whatnot, as he has priced himself outta the market with the same kinda thinking you're using. However, the difference between a smart businessman and you is.... he is here trying to figure out how to sharpen his pencil, stay competitive and still make a buck, hence why the other answers here make sense and make yours..... look silly.
Here ya go Addie, notice, I wasn't on yesterday...... well, we just did a store instal yesterday in one day, where the old guy doing it took 4 days. Our price is 1/2 of his, instead of 1/4 of his. The old shop priced themselves out of a job and basically threw it in our lap. Yep, we know what we're doing and do it very well. Therefore in my opinion, getting basically great wages for an honest days work is Okay with me. Have you ever made $13,000 in one day for just your labor portion...... for 3 people ?? The other guy was getting $22,000 which looked good, spread over 4 days, but we're doing the exact same work and getting it done in one day. Can you comprehend this, if it's in written English ?? We got to the store at 8:30am and were leaving the parking lot in the snow at 3:00 pm. I got home in time to snow blow my driveway in the light. My wife had a big drink waiting for while doing the driveway and was done by 5:45pm. I like a tall whiskey when coming home after these instals. Kinda like a little reward. I reward myself a whole lot.
:dog42
Sale prices are pretty comparable dollar for dollar Aus to US.
My standard retail price on 5mm corflute would be $2400+GST ($10 ea + $0.50 per eyelet). Materials cost approx $2.85 ea. Before we got a flatbed our pricing was similar to yours, perhaps as low as $17 per corflute + $0.50 per eyelet for that quantity. It's really just a market you can't compete in without a flatbed, you could buy them outsourced for about the same as your in-house cost price, without tying up all the labour.
My standard retail price on 5mm corflute would be $2400+GST ($10 ea + $0.50 per eyelet). Materials cost approx $2.85 ea. Before we got a flatbed our pricing was similar to yours, perhaps as low as $17 per corflute + $0.50 per eyelet for that quantity. It's really just a market you can't compete in without a flatbed, you could buy them outsourced for about the same as your in-house cost price, without tying up all the labour.