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Head scratcher weeding issue?

Discussion in 'Labels and Decals' started by upandup, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. upandup

    upandup Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    I produce small stickers. After a couple years I have ironed out most bugs, but weeding continues to be unpredictable and painfully frustrating. For a few months - no issues, then it all of the sudden starts weeding horrible. I use a 3m vinyl with Avery 1460 lam with a d60 summa plotter.

    I have tested pretty much every setting possible - speed, downforce, offset, overcut, etc. Contrary to all the tips I've read I've found the best luck comes with using a dull blade set with high downforce. It's almost like the increased surface area of the dull blade separates the vinyl and adhesive, but the sharper blade doesn't separate enough.

    My production is rapidly increasing and this is becoming a huge issue. I would appreciate any tips or experiences others have had with weeding small items like stickers.
  2. Kottwitz-Graphics

    Kottwitz-Graphics Very Active Member

    Sep 25, 2006
    Ridgely, MD
    How small are we talking?

    Also, I have found that if it's really small, leaving it for a day or two, sometimes some vinyl will separate.

    You mentioned that your using avery and a laminate. I assume that it's printed graphics. If not, use a regular high performance vinyl. The laminate is probably the cause of theach issue...

    Or you can weed after installation...
  3. gabagoo

    gabagoo Major Contributor

    Oct 10, 2006
    Vaughan, Ontario
    If you are talking about square cut or circular decals sometimes they weed better doing it from a different direction...top down, bottom up...lots of variables.
  4. hcardwell93

    hcardwell93 Member

    Nov 9, 2015
    Try setting your blade deeper. Blade depth makes a bigger difference on my D750 than the other settings.
  5. Pete Moss

    Pete Moss Member

    Dec 31, 2009
    Duluth, MN
    It would be helpful to see a photo. Stick with whatever works well for you. Make note of absolute everything including temp and humidity. If one variable changes you may have to adjust another.
  6. upandup

    upandup Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    Sorry for the delay in responding. To answer a couple of questions - the stickers are an oval shape about 1"x2", so not all that small relatively.

    The biggest issue I have is it is sp sporadic and unpredictable. The day after I posted I pulled the blade out to make sure the ball bearings were all there, then reseated the blade. I did another run and everything weeded flawlessly. What could have possibly changed???
  7. GAC05

    GAC05 Major Contributor

    Dec 27, 2005
    Guam USA
    Maybe remove the blade and clean the holder to make sure it does not have any stuck bits of vinyl or dirt. Then reinstall with a couple of drops of machine oil or white lithium grease to make sure the blade turns freely.

    wayne k
    guam usa
  8. jesper

    jesper New Member

    Nov 13, 2015
    Unreliable and weird cutting results? All settings tested?
    You're answering your own question, the settings are not the problem!
    What you're left with is either a material, or hardware issue. But I'm gonna go ahead and assume it's not about what brand vinyl or laminate you're running. So according to my analysis, it's a hardware issue, most likely you need to replace your cutting strip. that high downforce you're fond of is quite mean to the strip.
    Run your fingers across the length of it, I'm certain you'll find grooves and cuts meaning it's time for a replacement.
  9. BobM

    BobM Very Active Member

    May 31, 2008
    Cape Cod
    Check the cutting strip, then the blade, then the force. If you are not giving you a consistent good cut the only thing left is the blade holder. The holder must also be cleaned and oiled. Sounds like the blade is not turning freely in the blade holder.
  10. jfiscus

    jfiscus Adobe Shinobi

    Apr 2, 2009
    Cincinnati, OH
    Check your blade with a loupe, it probably needs changed. Ours get "mysteriously damaged" here occasionally, I think a bit of grit gets picked up by static off the floor sometimes and the blade tip gets chipped off. However, if taking the blade holder out and re-seating it "helps" then your machine probably needs lubricated or calibrated.
  11. upandup

    upandup Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    I think you're right. With all settings being identical the only thing that seemed to make the difference was removing and resetting the blade. I'll put in some oil as well. Thanks for the tips all!
  12. Ultimate13

    Ultimate13 Member

    Feb 23, 2015
    Orange County, CA
    We were having similar problems with our Roland and we oiled the holder and it would work for a time then go back to frustration. Eventually we just replaced the blade holder and it has been much more consistent.

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