HEALTH INSURANCE!........How I loathe you!

[bob]

All health problems are related to lifestyle choices?

No, but the anticipation of and planning for these sorts of thing this certainly is. Your choice to do so or not.

I suppose getting old or being born is a choice everyone makes also.

Planning for the former, getting old, and its possibilities most certainly is a choice. Citing the latter, being born is facetious. Nonetheless, those doing the birthing should have planned properly for the possibilities.

FICA taxes are a mortgage on someone else's life, lets see a politician go after Medicare and Social Security and publicly describe it how you have.

They are, in a tangential way, but we're talking about rights, not arbitrary tax schemes.

I can't wait to see old folks eating dog food again like they used to. Or dying in droves without receiving proper care.

If you don't make good choices and plan properly, that's what you might be doing. If so, that's your choice. You and you alone are responsible for your choices.

 

[TimToad]

No, but the anticipation of and planning for these sorts of thing this certainly is. Your choice to do so or not.



Planning for the former, getting old, and its possibilities most certainly is a choice. Citing the latter, being born is facetious. Nonetheless, those doing the birthing should have planned properly for the possibilities.



They are, in a tangential way, but we're talking about rights, not arbitrary tax schemes.



If you don't make good choices and plan properly, that's what you might be doing. If so, that's your choice. You and you alone are responsible for your choices.

Maybe in some Ayn Rand ranch out in the middle of Somalia, but this is an organized society we live in, not some barbaric feudalism.

So, on principle you don't participate in any of these confiscatory schemes? Nobody in your household pays taxes, uses the interstate highways, get Medicare, Social Security, farm subsidies of any kind, take tax deductions, go to public schools, libraries, universities, none of it?

 

[Gino]

Wow, this is one of the first threads which has gone around the world and not gotten locked down. From a helping hand to bringing Canada into it to the outer reaches of Somalia. I'm impressed.

We've managed to bash religion, neighbors, politics, stereotype, read good books and still no end in sight to this. I'm waiting for the wall to be brought into this. Will that be a tax or will Mexico pay for it ?? Might as well p!ss off the southern neighbors, too. What about all the socialist governments in Europe that are falling ?? When do we get to talk about them ?? Let's start with Sweden................. Then say ye about more of this thread.

 

[David Wright]

Gino, some of this is spill over resentment from the recent election.

 

[Gino]

Gino, some of this is spill over resentment from the recent election.

NO............................ real-l-l-ly ??

 

[bob]

...So, on principle you don't participate in any of these confiscatory schemes? Nobody in your household pays taxes, uses the interstate highways, get Medicare, Social Security, farm subsidies of any kind, take tax deductions, go to public schools, libraries, universities, none of it?

What does any of this have to do with holding health care as a right? Moreover, what does any of this have to do with being responsible for your own condition, being the sum total of all of the decisions you've made in life? Accepting that you are what you have chosen to be?

To answer your question, as out in left field as it is, yes I choose to participate in many of those items you list. I choose to do this, I could choose not to but I don't because, for me, the alternative would waste too much of my time.

 

[Bobby H]

Just like any other commodity, you should be able to have all of the health care that you can pay for. Just like groceries, Ferraris, and all other commodities. Can't pay? You should have made different decisions in your life.

I'd be perfectly happy with this rationale if America's hospitals, clinics, drug companies, biotech companies, etc. didn't get any taxpayer money at all. Not one cent. If those businesses really want to claim to be "free market" they should be forced to survive only on what they can get patients to buy. Grocery stores and Ferrari dealerships have to operate within that capitalist paradigm. America's health care industry isn't operating on that level at all. That industry's outrageous high prices, lavish life style and publicly traded stock is heavily subsidized by Uncle Sugar. Without that sweet government teet America's health care industry would collapse immediately.

52,000 out of how many millions and millions and millions of treatments? Yes there can be problems with wait times. But when you have a heart attack or any other serious thing going on they are fast and really good. But EVERYBODY gets treatment. If we disallowed our poor and homeless and less fortunate and working poor health care, I am sure things would speed up. If we said to someone with a health problem that has no insurance they would not get treatment without $150K or $50K or whatever serious surgery and/or treatments cost (I wouldn't know, we never get a bill) we could speed up the wait times. All the working poor, the sick with pre-existing health issues ALL GET TREATMENT. They also all receive EQUAL treatment.

Everyone selling horror stories of socialized medicine mention "rationed care" and long wait times at some point in the sales pitch. But they never ever mention the form of "rationed care" very common in the U.S.: the "I can't afford to go to a doctor at all" form of rationing.

There are tens of millions of Americans who never go to the doctor, even for a basic health check-up. They stay away primarily over the high cost and fearful what ever treatment they get will plunge them into financial ruin.

52,000 Canadians coming to the US to get some kind of medical treatment isn't a ringing endorsement the health care system here in the US is really great. If the Canadian government is reimbursing some of those patients then that just makes the Canadian system sound even that much better.

 

[David Wright]

so after all this yammering on politics, nationalism and the like, did anyone sign up with this group?
Mine went up 45%