Help printing red...

[Lindsay50111]

Hi everyone I was hoping to get some advise on how to print a good red. The customer wants a "blood red" for a backlit sign. I am printing on a Outdoor Falcon Value Jet. I am using clean Oracal 3651 but every red I try is either too pink or orange. Does anyone have any ideas on getting this color. I will try anything, I thought about translucent white??

 

[P Wagner]

Mutoh Falcon Outdoor and ValueJet printers are two vastly different devices. Printing a 'blood' red that looks good both day and night (while illuminated) on backlit would be a challenge on any printer, but even more so on the Falcon Outdoor.

Bob

 

[randya]

Both use the same ink.

The ValueJet's capability to do multistrike makes it much easier to get higher color densities.

Short of that all boils down to color management and profile.
An FO at 1440 with a good profile for the media will give you you the best shot at an acceptable red.

1440 will allow you to put more ink down for higher density and allow for better dot gain control.(due to the slower print speed)

 

[ChicagoGraphics]

If you have colour management and Onyx productionhouse you can scan in your vinyl swatch for a perfect colour match.

 

[rdm01]

May want to think twice about putting 3651 on a backlit sign as well.

 

[Lindsay50111]

Sorry we are printing on the ValueJet

 

[randya]

This is what we have done for backlit samples and demos

http://www2.mutoh.com/public/SAI_Profiles/1204-1604/

Intellicoat double stike profile for Magic Intellicoat SBL7


You may also be able to double strike a vinyl profile in your application.

http://www.mutoh.com/kb/entry/92/

 

[asignstop]

if it's backlit and you have a hard time hitting a red already - go a different route - either translucent cut vinyl - or outsource the print. Are you printing on Translucent - Or Clear Material for this job? Is the print going second side (on the back) or the front of the substrate? If you can get away with using cut vinyl I'd be all over it. Otherwise print multiple "inklayers" a printing option in Flexi on translucent printable media. If you print on clear you may need two prints one atop the other to get a deep red - which is more material and a pain.

 

[Sign Magic]

Could someone please let me know how to print double strike? I have a Valuejet and Flexi Print and Cut.

Thank you for your help.

 

[Compilla]

Could someone please let me know how to print double strike? I have a Valuejet and Flexi Print and Cut.

Thank you for your help.

The profile shoud do it for you.

Here's a How to on the Printer:

http://www.mutoh.com/kb/entry/28/

 

[Mike Paul]

Could someone please let me know how to print double strike? I have a Valuejet and Flexi Print and Cut.

Thank you for your help.

In Production Managers rip & print go to the advanced tab> driver options> overprint and select the number.

 

[ChiknNutz]

We recently wrestled with this a bit and ended up creating a double-strike/overprint media profile. We also printed on Orajet 3850 translucent. I once did a small print for a backlit on 3651 or 3165 and it did NOT turn out good...you really need to use a true translucent material...expensive I know, but it's the best way to do it given what you have. The BEST method is two perfectly registered prints...one white and one clear, but I honestly don't know how to do so and maintain perfect registration when mounting the prints together.

 

[Sign Magic]

Thanks Mike, is there a way to do this in Flexi 8.5 directly? My version of Flexi is Flexi Print and Cut 8.5 V1 SP2. On the advanced tab> driver options> there is no selection for overprint number. I have noticed that several features that were available in Flexi Print and cut 8.1 are now missing in Flexi Print and Cut 8.5. I guess SAI can givith, and SAI can taketh away.

I did go into the set up menu on the printer and followed Compilla's process and that was able to put it into double strike mode.

 

[Mike Paul]

Thanks Mike, is there a way to do this in Flexi 8.5 directly? My version of Flexi is Flexi Print and Cut 8.5 V1 SP2. On the advanced tab> driver options> there is no selection for overprint number. I have noticed that several features that were available in Flexi Print and cut 8.1 are now missing in Flexi Print and Cut 8.5. I guess SAI can givith, and SAI can taketh away.

I did go into the set up menu on the printer and followed Compilla's process and that was able to put it into double strike mode.

Thats the process to overprint to a Versacamm in Flexi Pro 7.6v2.
It may have changed in Flexi 8 or could be different for the Mutoh.