when I first started back in the 1980's we had a 4B with Helvetica, Helvetica bold, Helvetica condensed, Tabasco and Windsor. it was the only font that didn't make me want to totally vomit and I used it for all quick "fancy" vinyl work. I grew to hate it with a passion as I longed for a choice of nice looking fonts. there isn't anything wrong with it, it was just like eating chicken every night. after a while you get to really hate chicken. I think I mentally blocked it as I looked at it, it felt like I should know it but I was able to totally forget it. thanks Green Mountain Plaza for stirring up old repressed memories!