Help with Fonts

[Jim C]

Can someone help me with these two fonts WTF doesn't work.

 

[Steve C.]

Top one could be Franklin

 

[Jim C]

Thanks Steve C. but I don't think thats it as the S is more closed on Franklin. Still looking for these if anyone can help please.

 

[James Chrimes]

Franklin Family
Futura Display

 

[James Chrimes]

Top One Could Also Be In The Futiger Family

 

[Jim C]

Thanks again guys but I am not seeing anything in the Franklin Family that matches and the Futura Display is mostly right for the bottom red text but the V and the Y or not right. Damn i hate trying to find fonts.
STILL LOOKING

 

[SignosaurusRex]

INTERSTATE or HIGHWAY GOTHIC families for the top line.

 

[wraplady]

I think the Frutiger family also - never seen the bottom one before