HP800 or Roland LG

[Milweb1]

I currently running a bunch of Roland 640s and want to upgrade to something faster.

I have been told my options are HP800 or Roland LG for the price point I am looking for at the moment. I would test one and if it works good I would then order 2 more.

I like the HP for being a little faster than what I do which is almost only vinyl banners around 1 million sqft a year but, not sure if the uptime would be better for the HP or Roland.

Also, looking for any instant dry like latex or UV. Not concerned about wrapping as I will still have solvent printers.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

[balstestrat]

Canon Colorado. It's like made for you.

 

[victor bogdanov]

Get a Colorado, it ends up being cheaper that HP/Roland if you are printing a couple of rolls per day based on ink savings.

 

[zspace]

Colorado is made for that kind of banner volume.

 

[MarkSnelling]

You are a textbook case study for a Colorado. You'll print on most medias around 400sf/hour....some cast materials may be a bit slower....banner you can print 1200sf/hour. Ink costs around $.08/ft2. 3M approved for wraps. Ink is bulletproof and you don't need to laminate a lot of applications saving you even more. I'll gladly send you a quote for one!

 

[victor bogdanov]

Ink is bulletproof and you don't need to laminate a lot of applications saving you even more

I have couple of big banners (5ft x 40ft) printed almost 2 years ago on the Colorado, screwed to a building in full Texas sun and they look new still, 0 fading.

and most memorable thing was the 40ft banner taking 15 minutes to print

 

[dennis601]

Is it possible to laminate the prints from the Colorado 1630? - Any recommandations?
I got a problems with "(finger)prints" after laminating the prints

 

[Mr.Signboy]

Definitely agree that the Colorado would be the right choice for you, assuming you want to spend the extra $. I was able to get very nice looking prints and could process a 50yd roll in under an hour. Plus you can print in matte or gloss mode.

 

[Mr.Signboy]

Is it possible to laminate the prints from the Colorado 1630? - Any recommandations?
I got a problems with "(finger)prints" after laminating the prints

You can laminate prints from the 1630, it’s possible your fingerprints came from touching the media before printing, that will definitely leave marks.

 

[Br0wnie]

test

 

[Morten CHristensen]

Everybody is jumping on the Colorado bandwagon, one thing is ink price but as far as I understand the maintenance contract is mandatory, so please take that into consideration too
And if I know Canon/Océ right all the service menus inks etc. is locked down tighter than Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putins relationship.
In a couple of years when the leases are up on these machines and Canon has sold everybody their revolutionary new machine the M6 and M6W (the best invention since sliced bread)
Then Canon will introduce a hefty mark up on spare part prices in order to make the non viable on them used marked.

Also consider if you want to deal with a company that DIFFERENTIATE pricing on ink according to the amount of money you have paid for the machine up front.

Picture this: You buy a cheap standard BMW 520i and the price for a gallon of fuel will be 3.17 USD
You can also choose to buy the top of the line BMW M5 (essentially the same car, just M5 mode enabled via software)
The initial coast of the M5 is 4 times that of a BMW 520i, but then you are able to buy fuel for only 3.08 USD pr. gallon. - both cars are only able to run on the special BMW fuel, not the cheap standard stuff form the middle east.
Would you buy a BMW knowing this?

 

[victor bogdanov]

Picture this: You buy a cheap standard BMW 520i and the price for a gallon of fuel will be 3.17 USD
You can also choose to buy the top of the line BMW M5 (essentially the same car, just M5 mode enabled via software)
The initial coast of the M5 is 4 times that of a BMW 520i, but then you art able to bye fuel for only 3.08 USD pr. gallon. - both cars are only able to run on the special BMW fuel, not the cheap standard stuff form the middle east.
Would you buy a BMW knowing this?

Epson does this too with their regular vs bulk in price. All print manufacturers do this through regular and bulk ink versions


If you have the print volume the Colorado is great but you have to have the print volume for it to make sense financially

 

[Morten CHristensen]

Epson does this too with their regular vs bulk in price. All print manufacturers do this through regular and bulk ink versions

You are right, but that doesn't make it any more "legit" in my view.

When buying new printers I have 3 criteria's
1 No lockdown on inks (no smartcards, chips, RFID stickers or any of that nonsense)
2 Full access to every servicemenu on the machine.
3 The use of as many standard parts as possible, pumps, lamps, controller boards. etc. (no proprietary boards or parts that will cost you an arm and a leg of your firstborn child)

 

[CanuckSigns]

You are right, but that doesn't make it any more "legit" in my view.

When buying new printers I have 3 criteria's
1 No lockdown on inks (no smartcards, chips, RFID stickers or any of that nonsense)
2 Full access to every servicemenu on the machine.
3 The use of as many standard parts as possible, pumps, lamps, controller boards. etc. (no proprietary boards or parts that will cost you an arm and a leg of your firstborn child)

Have you found any that tick all 3? I was under the impression that all the major brands used lockdowns on ink

 

[Morten CHristensen]

Have you found any that tick all 3? I was under the impression that all the major brands used lockdowns on ink

There are some good Chinese printers out there, or semi-old Roland printers with permanent chips and 3. Party bulk systems. HP Latex 3/500 series also has hacked ink chips although proprietary hardware but reasonable spare part pricing. But new printers only Chinese

 

[AlexDG]

Everybody is jumping on the Colorado bandwagon, one thing is ink price but as far as I understand the maintenance contract is mandatory, so please take that into consideration too
And if I know Canon/Océ right all the service menus inks etc. is locked down tighter than Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putins relationship.
In a couple of years when the leases are up on these machines and Canon has sold everybody their revolutionary new machine the M6 and M6W (the best invention since sliced bread)
Then Canon will introduce a hefty mark up on spare part prices in order to make the non viable on them used marked.

Also consider if you want to deal with a company that DIFFERENTIATE pricing on ink according to the amount of money you have paid for the machine up front.

Picture this: You buy a cheap standard BMW 520i and the price for a gallon of fuel will be 3.17 USD
You can also choose to buy the top of the line BMW M5 (essentially the same car, just M5 mode enabled via software)
The initial coast of the M5 is 4 times that of a BMW 520i, but then you are able to buy fuel for only 3.08 USD pr. gallon. - both cars are only able to run on the special BMW fuel, not the cheap standard stuff form the middle east.
Would you buy a BMW knowing this?

maintenance contract is NOT mandatory. In my case with the contract and ink savings in place I still run way less than my old printers but now my whole printer is cover for the next 5 years. "Standard" ink is in the .20 cent range a sq.ft. - Colorado users are saying 5.5 cents to 08 cents. Mine was closer to 10 cents. Thats 50% + in savings. If you said buying gas at $1.50 a gallon that would be more accrute. Canon buys back their printers many times to recertfy them unloess EOL. My old Arizona still running after 9 years they offered a few K back for the upgrade. Like any printer company out there I am sure a thrid party ink will show up. But at such a low cost in ink useage why take the risk?