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I've had an epiphany....

Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by Shovelhead, Feb 20, 2008.

  1. Shovelhead

    Shovelhead Major Contributor

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    I've suddenly realized that with my negative comments towards
    "newbies" who decide to "jump in feet first" and start a sign shop
    or those that want to "save money" by doing their own graphics,
    I am potentially harming those merchants here who would benefit
    from sales by scaring away these folks.
    While I still believe strongly that the local sign maker is affected,
    I will refrain from this in the future.

    :cool:
     
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  2. Digital_Dan

    Digital_Dan Member

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    Shovel I guess I'm still new to this forum, but I think sometimes people need constructive criticism (it's not negative) just to guide them in the right direction. I know I can't build a house or work on cars, but if I had tried and someone told me that I should look into other areas I'd take the advice and ponder it. It wouldn't come across negative to me.

    It's all good in my eye!
     
  3. Flame

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    ah, but some people just instantly discredit this business as soon as they start talking.

    "ah, I bought a cheap $200 plotter to start making paper stickers. All the other guys around here charge crazy prices and I'll show them how easy it is to make money. I'm going to do all of my stuff and charge HALF of the going rate to everyone else.

    Now, I got this yuo-chang-yuk plotter, what makes it run? Do you have to have a computer or something?"




    Those kind of intro's really wear on a body.
     
  4. WhiskeyDreamer

    WhiskeyDreamer Professional Snow Ninja

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    shovel...i'm on your side on this one....i don't like the guy that wants to save money on graphics and so buys a machine and expects us to teach him....
     
  5. skyhigh

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    Lets all become complacent and go with the flow then.

    The John Wayne of signs101 is dead.
     
  6. rcook99

    rcook99 Very Active Member

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    Shovelhead, I am confused did you stop drinking,:Big Laugh or forget your medicine this morning.:Big Laugh

    You are letting me down as I have fun reading your posts, as you are so blunt and to the point. That is what alot of people need as they are so used to having things sugar coated.:thumb:

    Bob
     
  7. Shovelhead

    Shovelhead Major Contributor

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    I'm specifically curbing my comments as stated.....it could
    have an affect on merchants that can make a sale.
    I'm not welcoming them either.
     
  8. Redline Signs

    Redline Signs Member

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    I smell a rat.
     
  9. flisk

    flisk Active Member

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    bah.
    call it like you see it.

    I know I will.

    On forums in general people tend to talk a big talk. If someone has a question and I think it's an outlandish question, I may very well reply with an outlandish answer.
     
  10. skyhigh

    skyhigh Major Contributor

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    So the hell with the industry as a whole. I'm sure inkfish will be glad to know the next newbie (race car owner) that needs 10 digital print window "stickers" for his buddies, won't be scared away by you.

    If you can't speak your mind on this forum (good, bad or indifferent) , why bother posting at all. I guess you can always chime in on the "Whats for lunch" threads.

    Its a sad day.
     
  11. Shovelhead

    Shovelhead Major Contributor

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    If I tell some clown who bought a plotter "get out you don't belong here" ....
    and he was planning on buying the entire A&S font collection, Steve loses out.
     
  12. Derf

    Derf Very Active Member

    Shovelhead.. your assuming these people actually have the startup coin to buy something of value.

    But you do offer a valid point! They could have a credit card.. LOL
     
  13. skyhigh

    skyhigh Major Contributor

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    Those kinda clowns buy Steve's fonts and give them to all his buddies.

    I know that isn't always the case, but more than not. Lets remember who we are dealing with...the guy that buys a plotter because his local sign shop is a crook and charges too much (maybe because they actually paid for some LHF's or a legitimate copy of Flexi)

    Steve loses more than he gains....IMO
     
  14. Flame

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    Ah, keep it up Shovel. Don't change, you've made my day more than once. :)
     
  15. Poconopete

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    Welcome to :signs101:.
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  16. Shovelhead

    Shovelhead Major Contributor

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    "Shovelhead RIP 2 20 2008"

    That's some bad Mojo right there!!!!
     
  17. Poconopete

    Poconopete Very Active Member

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    Well WAKE UP, if they do stick around they can learn a lot from the likes of you!
     
  18. Fred Weiss

    Fred Weiss Merchant Member

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    From my point of view, this issue has always represented a conflict of interest.

    First and foremost, I believe in free speech and non-censorship. I also believe that this has been a major reason for the success of the forum. At the same time, I recognize that with a name like Signs 101 we're bound to attract a lot of new people.

    And yes, our merchants pay a fee to reach our members and guests so it's great when they get their money's worth.

    My personal feelings are that rudeness tends to reflect poorly on the person being rude and to discredit his or her comments. I also think that a lot of posts appear here that jump to conclusions not in evidence. The recent young man wanting to support our troops with a wrap on his car, for example.

    At the same time, there is absolutely no desire to stifle anyone from expressing their opinions. We've done okay even with the rudeness at times. I'm sure it has cost us some advertisers and that's an acceptable price to pay for an open expression of ideas and opinions.
     
  19. Mikeifg

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    I 100000000000% agree with Shovel on this. Everyone seems to think they can do this it's easy (makin stikers). Maybe some can but the majority of the people getting into this as a hobby low ball so much it ruins it for the guys actually trying to feed their kids.
     
  20. Fred Weiss

    Fred Weiss Merchant Member

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    One of the stated purposes of Signs 101 is to help those who want to become more professional become so. Sometimes it takes a while to sort those folks out.

    In the meantime, remember the old saying:

     
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