We have a JV33-160, and a Summa S160D. We've had the summa plotter for about 3 years, had it since we bought our first JV3, but they're still the same price, about $9k (and worth every penny and then some), and we just bought our JV33 this spring for $15,900. It's an extremely impressive machine for the money. Add in Onyx and a beast of a RIP computer and a media/ink bundle, installation and training, and you should be in the $30k-$35k range for a very nice, productive setup.