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Laser engraving on Glass in the Northeast

rcook99

New Member
I have a customer that needs 60 4oz glasses etched with there company logo. I met with a small company a few years ago that was about an hour from me but can't seem to recall the name. Any help is appreciated.
 

CES020

New Member
You'd be better off with sandblasted not laser, unless your mind is made up. The laser micro fractures the glass, it doesn't penetrate it, and the sandblasting will penetrate and give a much better look than lasering. If it were a couple, I'd probably laser them, with 60, I'd make the masks and sandblast them. Just my opinion.
 

rjssigns

Active Member
Or you could cut come vinyl masks and use gel etching compound. Lot's of fiddling around, but they turn out nice.
 

rcook99

New Member
Great ideas but being they are only 4oz glasses I think it would be a major pain in the ***. Sandblast would be great but have never did much with it.
 

signmeup

New Member
What do you use for mask? I have a hard time cutting masks out of sandblasting rubber with any detail at all. Can I laser cut the mask? I have a blast cabinet full of aluminum oxide for blasting. Is that the hot setup for glass ware or...?

Adrian
 

Mike001

New Member
I use Oracle 651 for a sand blasting mask. Works well. Just have to make sure the glass is clean so the vinyl sticks properly.
 

CES020

New Member
What do you use for mask? I have a hard time cutting masks out of sandblasting rubber with any detail at all. Can I laser cut the mask? I have a blast cabinet full of aluminum oxide for blasting. Is that the hot setup for glass ware or...?

Adrian

We use a photo resist. You print the image on a piece of film, put the photo resist film over the image, expose it to UV light for about 2 minutes and you've got the mask. Apply the mask, blast it (you have the right stuff, but I don't know what grit you have), and you're all set. You can do super intricate stuff with it. It works really well. Google ikonics or rayzist and you'll see all the films and exposure units, etc.

Pricing varies, just depends on how many sq. inches it is, since the mask is expensive, the price can vary a great deal depending on the graphic (if it's just a small logo or something that wraps around the entire glass).
 

signmeup

New Member
Thanks for the links. The laser stuff looks interesting. I'm still wondering if I did the right thing in not ordering the rotary device for my laser. The one thing I laser etched into glass looks "ok". It doesn't look exactly like sandblasted etching.

Adrian
 

CES020

New Member
Thanks for the links. The laser stuff looks interesting. I'm still wondering if I did the right thing in not ordering the rotary device for my laser. The one thing I laser etched into glass looks "ok". It doesn't look exactly like sandblasted etching.

Adrian

Nor will it ever. Two totally different things. The laser creates tiny fractures to simulate the look of sandblasting. Glass is a strange animal. It does things you won't believe until toy experience it. I had some engraving of text to do a couple of years ago. The glass pieces cost like $45 each, I engraved all the text and looked and there was one letter missing from a word. Huh? The Corel file was clearly correct, the job as show in the job control program for the laser clearly showed all the letters, but this one letter was completely missing. How the heck it happened baffled me. I did another one, a different letter was missing, same file. As I'm staring at the thing trying to figure out what the heck is going on, the letter magically, instantly appears. WTF???? Since that day, I've seen that happen many times, and I've video taped it as well just to make sure I wasn't crazy.

What happens is the glass is getting the micro fractures and you'll hit a spot that doesn't quite fracture cleanly, and as it cools down from the lasering, it will push it over the threshold and finally cause it to "crack" and it'll show up.

You also end up with tiny shards of glass as the end result because you're essentially just chipping the surface of the glass, where the sandblaster will eat the material away.

You can laser glass, it's tricky, it takes practice, and what works perfectly today might not work perfectly on the next piece of glass. It's that unpredictability that caused us to start sandblasting things. Not to mention the time. A logo on a pint glass might take 4-6 minutes on a laser. You can sandblast it in about 60 seconds, so it's considerably faster for larger batches. There's certainly time involved in printing the negative and making the mask, but once you get going, it's all very quick.

If it means anything (and it doesn't), we have a rotary for one of our lasers and we use it less than once a year. It's not worth the effort. However, your work might be different than ours and you might use it daily (which is why I said it doesn't mean anything.
 
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