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[WildWestDesigns]

Why being on the latest and greatest update isn't always the best thing: Windows Updates

Now, I'm not totally against updates in of themselves, but they are a double edge sword, so I am against being forced on the latest and greatest all the time.

 

[Souldar]

You can tell Windows not to update but eventually they will phase out support to the version you like. I have an old computer that won't run Windows 11 and had to do this because 11 stopped me in my tracks because of memory demands.

 

[Signstein]

I agree with Wild West. I prefer to stay a version or two behind. Still get security updates and stay relatively safe, but also allow time for the brand new flaws to be fixed.
At home, we finally just got rid of our 2012 (!) mac mini only because it could no longer run an up-to-date browser. A lot of times, the old stuff still works really well.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

You can tell Windows not to update but eventually they will phase out support to the version you like. I have an old computer that won't run Windows 11 and had to do this because 11 stopped me in my tracks because of memory demands.

They are phasing out a lot of stuff that they shouldn't. Why I am glad that I haven't been on the Windows (and even Mac) ecosystem for a long time. And I imagine that while they have backtracked for now, Recall will come back around in some form. May be called something else, but it will rear it's ugly head again.

 

[DL Signs]

11 stopped me in my tracks because of memory demands

I tried 11 on a VM, just to see what all the hubbub was. Memory usage on just a base load of the OS was insane, performance was so-so. Can't imagine running graphic software, CAD, and everything else I use daily.

I don't like forced updates, unless it's something critical. Unfortunately most updates are like the govt passing laws, even a good one has tons of others attached that ain't so good, and it's all or nothing. If they're going to be forced, other than security and stability related updates, it would be nice if they had the decency to give the end user the ability to pick & choose features you want, or don't, based on their use. Windows is kind of the worst, they aren't very up front with everything they include, so you have to hunt to see what's slowing you down now, what got re-activated that you turned off.I'm gonna keep running 10pro until support ends next year, hopefully by then all the negative feedback they get will force them to back the hell up a bit, and 11 will be more stable & usable.

It's not just windows either. I'm not even interested in updating the Mac with the latest greatest. Most of the updates listed are screen savers, widgets, yet another messaging app, gaming stuff, AirPod apps... More fluff than substance... Stuff that the average home user may like to play with, but for professional use it all just wastes resources, memory, storage, and my time to disable or remove everything I will never, ever need or use. Sad part is, which ever you use, even if you can skip one you don't want, they get you twice as hard, and still shove it down your throat with the next major update.

 

[Solventinkjet]

Memory usage on just a base load of the OS was insane, performance was so-so.

I read somewhere that Microsoft's philosophy is that, if there is available memory, it should be used as much as possible to improve performance. They basically cache the programs you use most often so they load a little faster. Doesn't seem to improve performance that much to me.

 

[JBurton]

I'm gonna keep running 10pro until support ends next year, hopefully by then all the negative feedback they get will force them to back the hell up a bit, and 11 will be more stable & usable.

Already ending support for 10? I'm still resisting upgrading 7. Finally found something my old pc won't do; log into my CC website. Evidently chrome is flagged as an old version and chase sees this as a vulnerability (as they should). But the idea that I couldn't pay my cc without buying a new computer really put a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, I have a new super duper laptop (that melts my finger tips on heavy load games), so it wasn't a true issue, it's just, f*ck google for not supporting windows 7, as if the win10 install for it is any different.
The idea of microsoft taking any feedback and improving customer experience is almost laughable. The only feedback that seems to matter is from their other customer base, which is mostly concerned with how to turn you into their product.

 

[Pauly]

I read somewhere that Microsoft's philosophy is that, if there is available memory, it should be used as much as possible to improve performance. They basically cache the programs you use most often so they load a little faster. Doesn't seem to improve performance that much to me.

This is quite true.
this goes with phones also. You shouldn't close the open apps, always keep them open.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

It's not just windows either. I'm not even interested in updating the Mac with the latest greatest. Most of the updates listed are screen savers, widgets, yet another messaging app, gaming stuff, AirPod apps... More fluff than substance... Stuff that the average home user may like to play with, but for professional use it all just wastes resources, memory, storage, and my time to disable or remove everything I will never, ever need or use. Sad part is, which ever you use, even if you can skip one you don't want, they get you twice as hard, and still shove it down your throat with the next major update.

Why I'm glad that I'm not on either Windows or Mac. Have to remember as well, Jobs is quoted as saying "A customer doesn't know what they want until you tell them".

Already ending support for 10? I'm still resisting upgrading 7.

10 yrs is about the lifespan of most of the Windows versions in recent memory.

The idea of microsoft taking any feedback and improving customer experience is almost laughable. The only feedback that seems to matter is from their other customer base, which is mostly concerned with how to turn you into their product.

Keep in mind, they have 842 "partners" that help process Outlook data (I imagine those same partners are throughout the Office suite). MS (and I would argue Adobe) have been more data scrapers compared to software vendors like they used to be. I can't say it enough, glad I don't have to mess with that.

 

[cornholio]

For all MS bashers and Apple-hypers

During the time I'm in the sign business(1988-now), Apple not only changed their OS often to a point leaving all your application software useless, they also switched the external hardware (SCSI, FireWire, USB, Tunderbolt...) and CPU's (68000, PowerPC, Intel, Arm...) leaving the users with expensive paper weights...
On the other side, I can run Windows software from 1992 on a modern Win11 box, as long as it was decently programmed back then.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

On the other side, I can run Windows software from 1992 on a modern Win11 box, as long as it was decently programmed back then.

Or unless it was programmed using a lib that has since been not only deprecated but removed. In order to get those to work, may have to go to an open source project.

When the 16->32->64 bit changes happen, this is the biggest problem with that statement. In some instances, a 32 bit application had a 16 bit installation stub and unless one is able to swap out that stub with a 32 bit one, no bueno there for a 64 bit system and that was in order to support the change between 9x and NT that the general public had to deal with. Those 16 bit programs or with installation stubs will not work on Win 11 or any late version of Win 10(out of the box) since 32 bit OSs from MS are no more, what is out there, is out there.

Of course, still have the DOS programs in the early 90s as well (actually still have those throughout the 90s as DOS was the underlying system of the 9x era(which was better in a lot of ways, but I digress)). NTVDM doesn't support everything anymore (XP was the last version of NTVDM to support full screen DOS programs for instance). As of now, I would probably amend that statement to include those written for NT from XP to now. 90s software can be hit or miss.

So while bad programming may explain some of it, some of it also a sign of the times and what tech was used at the time that may not actually still be there. Oddly enough, MS doesn't keep everything, although I did find it ironic that they had a zero day (in Win 10) in a printing protocol that had been in Windows since 95.

 

[DL Signs]

Already ending support for 10?

October of next year, won't even be offering security updates unless you pay for them.

For all MS bashers and Apple-hypers

I use both, and Mac absolutely sucks in my opinion.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

October of next year, won't even be offering security updates unless you pay for them.

I can actually understand that, want to make sure to avoid an XP issue (which wouldn't have been much of an issue if people would keep their outdated computers off the WAN).

I use both, and Mac absolutely sucks in my opinion.

Both actually suck (having used all 3 of the major ones and even some of the niche ones). One just sucks less and it's actually not because of them, but because of support from 3rd party vendors.