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Layering vinyl in the shop?

Discussion in 'General Signmaking Topics' started by SIGNTIME, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. SIGNTIME

    SIGNTIME Active Member

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    Normally when we do a job that requires layering vinyl we do the layering on site on whatever the vinyl is being applied to. The reason we do it this way is because whenever we have tried to layer the vinyl in the shop and apply the layers together on a car or substrate, we get bubbles in the bottom layer around the edges of the top layer. I believe this may be happening because of the transfer tape we use and stock which is 4075-RLA. What transfer tape performs best for this application if this is the cause of our problem, or what else could be causing this. *dry app
     
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  2. The Big Squeegee

    The Big Squeegee Major Contributor

    The problem may be the kind of applicator you are using. A hard squeegee will not apply several layers evenly no matter what you use for transfer tape. Cover the edge of the squeegee with felt.
     
  3. Jillbeans

    Jillbeans Major Contributor

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    I never layer in the shop.
    I always do it piece by piece on site.
    Love....Jill
     
  4. Gino

    Gino Major Contributor

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    We still do this from time to time, but we always layer as we go on the substrate itself. You seem to have much more control over your end result.... and less headaches overall.
     
  5. gabagoo

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    Pre assembled vinyl with overlaps almost always results in air or water getting trapped and resulting in disaster.
     
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  6. SIGNTIME

    SIGNTIME Active Member

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    danm I was hoping I was hoping I was doing something wrong... usally only 2 layers with a "hard" (flexible) squegee. Guess I will try it with the soft end of a geekwrap squegee or an oshee see if it makes any difference... thank you
     
  7. All-SignZ

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    what about 2 color ready to apply decals? For instance we have one customer who has a handful of rta's left but is running out. they are metallic gold and black, pre layered, they got 50 of them years ago, not from us, and want to order more. We took a sample one and applied it to a wall, dry with a hard squeege and it went down flawlessly. When we try to do it ourselves it leaves all sorts of little bubbles around the overlay. The transfer tape on the sample seemed to have a higher tack then what we normally use.
     
  8. aaronJREgraphics

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    I layer all my stuff in the shop before i install use R-tape psa application tape ive never had to many problems if the image is big we will apply a layer at a time....just make sure and use a lot of pressure and the layers should stick fine and not bubble during application.
     
  9. cajun312

    cajun312 Active Member

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    Use air release vinyl and your problems are gone.
     
  10. OlsonSigns601

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    We started off, 3 colors we will print, 2 we layer.
    Its been almost 4 years with a printer now. Now we just print anything with an outline.

    Unless its 1 color, we print. Time > Cost
     
  11. tsgstl

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    Air is trapped because of the thickness of the second layer of vinyl. More or less the same reason you would trap air in vinyl on a banner if there is a seam on your table underneath the banner. IE where there is a void there will be bubbles.
     
  12. mudmedia

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    I layer everything on the substrate BUT I did run into a little halt this week. What if someone wants 2 colors but you need to line them up not an outline but lets just say multiple color decal. Is there a backing paper or some type of wax paper that is good to use to assemble the decal before masking?
     
  13. jasonx

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    App tape the first colour. Lift it off then register to the second colour vinyl. Sorted.
     
  14. Mosh

    Mosh Major Contributor

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    Just print it....
     
  15. aaronJREgraphics

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    I layer all of my stuff post mask its so easy i set up the cut files in flexi to leave a small box caddy corner from each other on both cut files. I weed both cut files mask the top layer remove it from the backing paper line the cut squares i talked about up with each other and apply the mask to the bottom layer works like a charm every time no bubbles no problems.
     
  16. sdodson1

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    We just use the Avery blue felt edge squeegees and it solved that!
     
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