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Making a sign look illuminated

DirtyD

New Member
So my question is, in Corel X6 I'm sure it's similar in other versions.. But I have a real life image with a super imposed 'Pan" style faces, is there a way to show how it would look like illuminated..

Like darken the image to seem like its night and illuminate the face part?

thanks in advance
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
You can give an illusion of a backlit being lit, by playing with your controls in imaging, but if your customer sees something he likes and it doesn't look that way in REAL life, he could possibly stop payment for your not delivering the said product.
 

DirtyD

New Member
Gino.. Thanks

and it's the same concept as emailing a proof to the customer whether or not it has a backlit effect or not.. the colors probably won't print exactly how they see them on the computer screen or desktop printer.. It's all about informing the customer and its called a concept proof..

Again thanks
 

idsignsil

New Member
Click on the image (the bitmap/jpeg/original photo), go up to bitmaps and then image adjustment lab. Darken the photo, then darken you vector pieces of the sign till it looks like it is lit up at night. I usually do a daytime next to the night image.

Also always put some type of disclaimer on there noting that whatever the customer is seeing on their computer screen may not be the actual color. We also say *Colors may not display accurate on screen* and tell them if they want to see what it would really look like to come into the shop for a sample.
 

DirtyD

New Member
Click on the image (the bitmap/jpeg/original photo), go up to bitmaps and then image adjustment lab. Darken the photo, then darken you vector pieces of the sign till it looks like it is lit up at night. I usually do a daytime next to the night image.

Also always put some type of disclaimer on there noting that whatever the customer is seeing on their computer screen may not be the actual color. We also say *Colors may not display accurate on screen* and tell them if they want to see what it would really look like to come into the shop for a sample.

idsignsil -

Thank you very much and like I was saying to Gino informing customers not printing as they appear, I was also going to show daytime as well..

Again thank you for the actual help and not being a DICK as Gino always seems to be
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
idsignsil -

Thank you very much and like I was saying to Gino informing customers not printing as they appear, I was also going to show daytime as well..

Again thank you for the actual help and not being a DICK as Gino always seems to be


Well, you are quite welcome. :rock-n-roll: Seems you've joined the ranks of name calling :cool1: A feat to be admired, huh ??
 
I don't understand how is response was Dickish. He told you the same thing the other guy said. He was warning you of what you might run into when you supply these kind of proofs. Do you want him to sugar coat it for you and make everything sound perfect. Then you get stuck later with a finished design and install and no payment because it doesn't look right. Be careful next time he might not respond and help you and he might be the one that could help you the most. Take criticism without getting your panties in a wad.
 

DirtyD

New Member
It's dickish because most of his responses to anything are like that, and the way he replies to things it's like he thinks everyone are morons and it's their first day on the job...

And my question was how to make a super imposed image look backlit, not what consequences could happen if I show it to a customer and say yup..exactly like the picture.. derp

Also I feel his response was correlated from the debate we were having not to long ago on another thread.. when I posted this question I had a 99% certainty that he would be the first to write a response...

It doesn't matter I was wrong to be childish and name call....
 
I'll admit his responses can be a bit blunt. But more then not, he gives very good advice and is very knowledgable. There is no need to be nice. If he spends his time helping you. Maybe he thought the more important thing then making the backlit look backlit was the trouble you might get into if the customer says it doesn't like your picture. It probably comes from past experience he has. Or even worse next time he could direct you the wrong way and end up costing you money.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
It's dickish because most of his responses to anything are like that, and the way he replies to things it's like he thinks everyone are morons and it's their first day on the job...

And my question was how to make a super imposed image look backlit, not what consequences could happen if I show it to a customer and say yup..exactly like the picture.. derp

Also I feel his response was correlated from the debate we were having not to long ago on another thread.. when I posted this question I had a 99% certainty that he would be the first to write a response...

It doesn't matter I was wrong to be childish and name call....


If you think I'm keeping tabs on you or anyone else, you are grossly mistaken. Unless you are truly a d!ckhead about pretty much what you say and ask, I have no reason to do what you are insinuating. I have no idea what the last thing was we discussed, argued about or even became heated about. You might have a memory like an elephant, but I move forward. I do not dwell on the past. I will learn from the past and I've now learned to avoid you, so suffice it to say.... you won. I still might post in your threads, to help people who really come here for help, cause you do tend to ask rather basic questions...... just like this one. Giving you the benefit of the doubt I guess is not needed in your camp.

I'm glad you did make the correct assessment of saying several times 'you feel' or 'it's like' and not be a mind reader.


It's a shame so many people in this place.... and just around in life, think the whole world revolves around them.... and only them. Everything is about Dirty and only Dirty. No way could it help someone else out, down the road with similar questions. Nope, it's all about his question and the people who answers them, how they answer and then calling them names and then back-pedaling.

It must be fun, not to know how to explain what an electric sign will look like at night with literally 1000's of them around to show. Noooo, you hafta show them their individual backlit and then say to them..... it won't look exactly like this, but this is a close simulation. In over 40 years of making signs and doing electric signs, I don't think anyone has ever asked what their sign will look like at night.

Yep, here's how the sign will look on a well lit street with dozens of other lights, street lamps and headlights all around. Oh, and here's how it will look out on that dark stretch of road you're on. Oops, and this is what it will look like 45' in the air. Oh, that's right, you wanted to light this with LED's, that will have this look, instead. Would you like to see what it will look like at 5 am ?? If you have a timer on it, you won't see it at all. If you have a dusk to dawn, it might appear this way. What's that you say, you wanna see it with different colors ?? Okay, I can make all those changes for you and show them lit and unlit. No problem Mr Customer. Anythin' for you, sir. I wanna show off my enhanced computer software programs and try to fool you into thinking this is what you're gonna get........ :dog42
 

DirtyD

New Member
Some of my questions may be basic, but that is because I come from a Install background not a design/computer program background. And if you must know I wanted to show the customer that with his logo and dark gradient in his name that it will not backlight as well and will show up relatively dark, that is what I was trying to portray.

So don't assume you know what I'm doing or what my intentions are.. Congratulations on your 40 years..

Oh and it's not all about me.. I help out whenever I can.. you can do a search and find that out..
 
Just tell him it's too dark it won't show up that well. Whatever you do on the computer is not going to be a true representation of what it will look like so either way your still going to end up telling him it won't look like this though when it's done. So why even show a picture in the first place. Explain the problems while showing him the design and go from there.
 

DirtyD

New Member
Hey Dirty.........................the "D" stands for dumba$$ doesn't it? :covereyes:

And your post has to do with what really..


Showing that your extremely immature and have nothing else to do..

Thanks for your helpful insight, made the world a better place
 

DirtyD

New Member
Just tell him it's too dark it won't show up that well. Whatever you do on the computer is not going to be a true representation of what it will look like so either way your still going to end up telling him it won't look like this though when it's done. So why even show a picture in the first place. Explain the problems while showing him the design and go from there.

Thanks..
 

Rick

Certified Enneadecagon Designer
I have to do this all the time, I put a warning on the
page that it's just a simulation... I mean really, all drawings
are simulations...

I do this in Illustrator, but works the same in Corel

I put a CMYK black over the whole image, adjust the
transparency, the move the "lit" portions of the sign
on top of the transparent black. If it's halo lit, I'll add
a glow, I can also add a sign glow to the lettering.

I did these 2 a while back for classroom assignments here...

I also do client presentations where animations is involved.

http://www.iamglak.com/eddie-mate.gif
 

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I like the animation one. It was pretty cool. But neither looks anything like it will in real life. And unless they just have absolutely no imagination, doesn't help the process at all.
 

DirtyD

New Member
I have to do this all the time, I put a warning on the
page that it's just a simulation... I mean really, all drawings
are simulations...

I do this in Illustrator, but works the same in Corel

I put a CMYK black over the whole image, adjust the
transparency, the move the "lit" portions of the sign
on top of the transparent black. If it's halo lit, I'll add
a glow, I can also add a sign glow to the lettering.

I did these 2 a while back for classroom assignments here...

I also do client presentations where animations is involved.

http://www.iamglak.com/eddie-mate.gif

Thank you!!!!

Very nice work.. I really like the animated gif
 

J Hill Designs

New Member
I have to do this all the time, I put a warning on the
page that it's just a simulation... I mean really, all drawings
are simulations...

I do this in Illustrator, but works the same in Corel

I put a CMYK black over the whole image, adjust the
transparency, the move the "lit" portions of the sign
on top of the transparent black. If it's halo lit, I'll add
a glow, I can also add a sign glow to the lettering.

I did these 2 a while back for classroom assignments here...

I also do client presentations where animations is involved.

http://www.iamglak.com/eddie-mate.gif

exactly how I do it -- since we're sharing, here's an animation I did a while back -- I just found out if you keep clicking the start button it goes faster and faster :ROFLMAO:

http://www.fisigns.com/FFC/
 

DirtyD

New Member
I like the animation one. It was pretty cool. But neither looks anything like it will in real life. And unless they just have absolutely no imagination, doesn't help the process at all.

I just think that it is part of a nice presentation to show a concept... I see things like that all the time with construction companies and lighting professionals...

And the lighting never looks exactly like it does on screen or paper.. it's just a concept, it's part of a presentation
 

Rick

Certified Enneadecagon Designer
I like the animation one. It was pretty cool.
But neither looks anything like it will in real life. And unless they just have absolutely
no imagination, doesn't help the process at all.

Those were not for any clients, it was done for the forum...

Most small mom and pop clients have no imagination... it's why
we get to design. It's also a request, I never freely offer it up.

Geez, just thinking about this, I mean all the renderings I've done that were
requested by theme parks, designers, architects casinos, hotels and malls and
I'm now informed that none of them had imagination? Who knew?
 
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