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Mutoh 1604 vs Roland SP540 - Video from Fellers

Discussion in 'Mutoh' started by premiercolour, Feb 25, 2010.

  1. premiercolour

    premiercolour Sales and services from S. California

  2. Mainframe

    Mainframe Very Active Member

    AWSOME! A comparison with a Rolland printer that is no longer made!:thumb:
     
  3. tomence

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    how can you compare printer to a printer/cutter
    also Mutoh 1604 is newer printer with the new technology they are saying will not do any banding which is hard to believe
    Roland Sp is way older model
    Mutoh is 64" Roland sp is 54"
    So i dont buy what Fellers is saying which is crap on the other hand they are crying to sell Roland products but i guess somehow they can't
     
  4. Jim Doggett

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    There's probably a fine line between Roland, Mimaki and Mutoh, since they're running Epson heads and inks (Epson's saved Hexachrome for themselves, for the uber high-quality color-matching and gamut.)

    But, IMO, it comes down to this: Roland is great at the specialty stuff (white, metallic inks) and Mutoh excels at higher-speed printing, such as knocking out a bunch of banners (Wave print technology).

    At least that's my take on it, from a printing standpoint.

    On the cutting side, it's debatable whether print-and-cut or print-then-cut is superior. Dedicated cutters cut better and more accurately, and you should laminate, everything darn near. Plus you can print on a printer and cut on a cutter, keeping both machines productive. Print-and-cut is killer for quick non-laminated lables. So take your pick.

    My $0.02,

    Jim
     
  5. tomence

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    Lets put it these way
    Mutoh 1604 with a 54" inch graphtec cutter cost same as Roland XC540
    So why dont they put this Mutoh up to Roland XC540 and see whats gonna happen
     
  6. netfryer

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    I know it's just a crappy Youtube video... but i'm diggin gthe colors on the partial roland print over the washed out look of the other.

    Again... probably just the bad video, production, profiles, whatever... but silly to show that when you're trying to pitch the Mutoh :)
     
  7. Jim Doggett

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    I can't speak for Frank & Co, but we did a comparison video a while back, too. The problem in doing them is that models, and even firmware updates, make the darn things obsolete about the time they're produced and get any traction on youtube. That's pretty much why we haven't done one in a while. Maybe Fellers is learning the same thing we did. Who knows?

    My $0.02,

    Jim
     
  8. tomence

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    The thing i hate about Fellers and other companies like Fellers that carry only one brand no mather if it is Mutoh or Roland, how the hell can they give me any advice between two different printers
    I mean Fellers sell only Mutoh and of course they try to sell you a Mutoh and will try to teach you that Mutoh is the best in the industry.
    I like companies that sell 2, 3 or 4 different brands and only then i would talk to them and find out what the difference is between each printer, about yearly sales, yearly problems, and stuff like that. Every time i go to Fellers to get some vinyl or banner material i am pushed to get a Mutoh form their sales manager. Sometimes i hate goin there if there is a sales manager.
     
  9. Jim Doggett

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    That's due to distribution agreements offered by the various manufacturers. Roland limits territory; Mutoh does not. So nationals like Fellers (and us) tend not to focus on Roland since our marketing reaches the entire country. (and beyond) If we spend money creating interest for Roland, outside our territory, we effectively do the marketing for our competition.

    But any dealer, whether they sell Roland, Mimaki, Mutoh or other printers should be able to speak intelligently -- and objectively/honestly -- about the differences. If they can't do that, they're not credible. So I'd rather tell you the truth and lose your business (and stay in business) than lie to you and win your business (go out of business).

    Anyone can buy and resell a printer. But a reputation is earned -- and should be protected like treasure. IMHO.

    Jim
     
  10. Jim Doggett

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    I think that's the perception every multi-line dealer would like us to believe (I've worked for them, too). But we choose the path of least resistance; it's human nature. And sales people will sell you what sells the easiest, with a secondary consideration for what's the most profitable. In my experience, we sold what we liked from ease/profitablity standpoint, and then had the other brand for folks who came predisposed to buy it and couldn't be talked into what we liked selling (manufacturer reps for the "orphan" brands knew we were doing that, and griped, vigorously. But we all act in our own best interest.)

    I think that's the reality.

    Jim
     
  11. ProWraps

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    hey jim i just noticed.. you are back with signwarhouse?
     
  12. tomence

    tomence Very Active Member

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    Jim streight up i bet you you will never tell me that Roland is better than Mutoh coz you sell Mutoh.
     
  13. Case

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    that's his .02 cents...

    hahahaha

    case
     
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