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Need help on choosing a spectrophotometer

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Ernest Tortuga

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Hi guys!

I'm shopping for some spectrophotometers and I'm not quite sure what to choose. I also noticed that these instruments doesn't come cheap. So I am looking for a spectrophotometer just to specifically make single ink limits, linearization, total ink limits, and custom icc profiles. I'm not looking on using it for spot colors etc.

Here's what I have so far:
Versaworks 6.x
Roland EJ-640
Roland VS-640i

Hoping that someone can help me out!
 
Boudica

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
Eye 1 pro. Just make sure you can get a compatible version. I got road blocked with VW, I now opporate in several new rips. Just upgraded to onyx 21, and looking forward for some downtime to profile our Roland, and Epson, and the new Annapurna flat bed... Which I learned to profile through assnti.
 
dudeinthemoon

dudeinthemoon

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Agreed. i1 Xrite will meet all your requirements. And in my opinion the best way to profile is to do linearization, limits, etc in versaworks profiler, but the main color measurements write software will do better
 
FrankW

FrankW

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For Versaworks, you need the i1 Publish-Bundle with the i1 Profiler Software for CMYK-Printers too, because Versaworks dont have functionality to create ICC-Profiles.

Ink limits are not measured with a spectrophotometer in Versaworks. There are RIP-Software who do that with single ink limits, but none with total.
 
dudeinthemoon

dudeinthemoon

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FrankW said:
For Versaworks, you need the i1 Publish-Bundle with the i1 Profiler Software for CMYK-Printers too, because Versaworks dont have functionality to create ICC-Profiles.

Ink limits are not measured with a spectrophotometer in Versaworks. There are RIP-Software who do that with single ink limits, but none with total.
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You are so wrong! Did you ever use Versaworks RIP? Its always had its own built-in color profiler, but having i1 pro license you'll be able profiling any CMYK printer and versaworks profiler will be needed only for first steps of creating profile
And you don't need nothing but your eyes to cut limits
 
FrankW

FrankW

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dudeinthemoon said:
You are so wrong! Did you ever use Versaworks RIP? Its always had its own built-in color profiler, but having i1 pro license you'll be able profiling any CMYK printer and versaworks profiler will be needed only for first steps of creating profile
And you don't need nothing but your eyes to cut limits
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I do Versaworks-Support since it is on the market, since 2005. You can do ink limiting (visually) and linearization (with a spectro), but you CANT create an ICC-Profile within Versaworks.

Could it be that you dont know the difference between calibration and profiling, or between Linearization and ICC-Profiling?
 
FrankW

FrankW

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Why is written there that you need a profiling software which is capable to create CMYK output profiles? Because Versaworks itself cant do that. The only thing you can measure within versaworks is the linearisation.
 
Pauly

Pauly

Printrade.com.au
dudeinthemoon

dudeinthemoon

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I meant you don't need to buy extra software such as i1 publish if you already have i1 device and versaworks. Versaworks just uses pm5 for profiling
 
Pauly

Pauly

Printrade.com.au
dudeinthemoon said:
I meant you don't need to buy extra software such as i1 publish if you already have i1 device and versaworks. Versaworks just uses pm5 for profiling
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PM5 was only used in the demonstration. as if you keep scrolling down, there's an i1 profiler guide also.
 
FrankW

FrankW

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dudeinthemoon said:
I meant you don't need to buy extra software such as i1 publish if you already have i1 device and versaworks. Versaworks just uses pm5 for profiling
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Thats not true too. Profilemaker 5 is a very outdated software, which you had to buy separately too as long as it was available 10 or more years ago. Today, an update from PM5 to i1 Profiler is available.

Of course, if you have a ProfileMaker which still works (will not under Windows 10 as far as I know), you do not need to buy a separate software. But it is wrong that Versaworks uses the software, it is completely separate.
 
dudeinthemoon

dudeinthemoon

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Versaworks is fully compatible with i1 spectrophotometers which uses pm5 to build icc and you don’t need to buy extra software. That’s all I said
 
FrankW

FrankW

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dudeinthemoon said:
Versaworks is fully compatible with i1 spectrophotometers which uses pm5 to build icc and you don’t need to buy extra software. That’s all I said
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OK. Of course you can say that "if you have a software for ICC-Profiling, you don´t need another".

VersaWorks dont USE pm5 to build icc, and it will not be delivered with. It is a completely separate software as i1 Profiler is too. If you have neither PM5 or i1 Profiler, you can´t create ICC Profiles for VersaWorks.

And, important to know: while PM5 is outdated since the first i1 model was on the market, it should be compatible with i1 Pro 2 too (because this has a compatibility mode with the old i1). But PM5 will not support the currently available i1 Pro 3 anymore. i1 Pro 2 and i1 Pro are not available anymore new.

It is dangerous to spread wrong information with a confidence that lead to statements like "You are so wrong! Did you ever use Versaworks RIP?" towards an experienced VersaWorks-Supporter since more than 15 years. You should be shure in the future to know what you talking about, and should admit that you are wrong this time.
 
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bteifeld

Substratia Consulting,Printing,Ergosoft Reseller
FrankW said:
Thats not true too. Profilemaker 5 is a very outdated software, which you had to buy separately too as long as it was available 10 or more years ago. Today, an update from PM5 to i1 Profiler is available.

Of course, if you have a ProfileMaker which still works (will not under Windows 10 as far as I know), you do not need to buy a separate software. But it is wrong that Versaworks uses the software, it is completely separate.
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I use Profilemaker 5 and its related components under windows 10 regularly without a problem.
 
dudeinthemoon

dudeinthemoon

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I’m very sorry that I hurt your feelings, my apologies. And again if you have i1 device that means you have pm5 or i1 profiler license with it and this will be enough to make a profile in Versaworks. My only mistake was that I forgot what exactly software you have to use to do the measurements. And all needed tools will be installed anyways since you use i1 spectrophotometer and have to install its drivers. And please deny it if you want but yes versaworks uses i1 profiler to build icm body such as MPMII, for example. But still you don’t need to buy very expensive latest i1 pro 3 with with the publisher license just to figure out how the process works and start learning profiling or even making profiles for yourself.
But the main thing that confused me is why it is so big deal for super experienced specialist to humiliate somebody who said nothing wrong just made a mistake which doesn’t change the fact that you able do the profiles in Versaworks if you already have i1 spectrophotometer
 
FrankW

FrankW

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dudeinthemoon said:
But the main thing that confused me is why it is so big deal for super experienced specialist to humiliate somebody who said nothing wrong just made a mistake which doesn’t change the fact that you able do the profiles in Versaworks if you already have i1 spectrophotometer
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Because you write bullshit, and people who believe you could buy things which are senseless to them, what could lead to additional costs.

With the i1 Basic-Bundle, or some OEM-Bundles, you will get an i1 Profiler were CMYK-Profiling is not licenced. So it is completely useless for creating profiles with VersaWorks, because VersaWorks needs CMYK-Profiles (as most of the LFP-RIP´s too). Such a bundle will make sense only if the RIP-Software have integrated ICC-Profile-creation abilities (what VersaWork don´t have). In Opposite to MPMII, by the way, which you have mentioned, MPM creates complete media profiles (calibration and profiling).

The installation of the drivers for the i1 devices installs the device drivers only, no additional software. With Windows 10, they install automatically without a download or CD.

I do not have any idea what you mean with "ICC Body". You can create a "calibration" (printer settings, ink limits, linearisation), the basis what is needed to create a reliable ICC-Profile.
 
FrankW

FrankW

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Ernest Tortuga said:
Do I really need the publish version? Can I not just get the basic instead?
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You need publish. You need a CMYK-Profile Generator to create profiles for Versaworks, the basic bundle will not contain that. Basic would make sense only if you have a RIP-Software with built-in Profile generator.
 
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