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New Epson S80600

altereddezignz

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I know there are a couple threads asking about buying a S80600 but i am curious who has these up and running at this time. I am curious how much better the colors are and what the true real life speed of these machine are? Is it worth the red and orange colors? We do a lot of wraps and contour cut decals and banners.


If i missed a post of someone else asking the same things i am sorry please link to it bc i have missed it in my searches!!

My current printer is a Mutoh 1324.
 

ProColorGraphics

New Member
Just get the S80! ;) If you do any bright oranges, you will be impressed!! It make the oranges off of my other printers look like mud. haha
 

altereddezignz

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Are you bias a little bit lol.. We dont do much orange or green at the moment simply because we do not get the wide gamut we like. So rather than print a color that looks bad we just dont.

Show some some pics of the S80's prints. Id love to see some of them.

Just get the S80! ;) If you do any bright oranges, you will be impressed!! It make the oranges off of my other printers look like mud. haha
 

I Branding

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I like the S80600's. I had them since April and they are really good, the color gamut is better then any printer I have worked on so far. The speed is good, its not comparable to Seiko or even Vutek printers but the quality is way better. I can do a whole 53' full wrap running 6 pass bi directional in 6 hours. I hope this helps you out.
 

altereddezignz

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Is this on 54" or 64" vinyl?

I like the S80600's. I had them since April and they are really good, the color gamut is better then any printer I have worked on so far. The speed is good, its not comparable to Seiko or even Vutek printers but the quality is way better. I can do a whole 53' full wrap running 6 pass bi directional in 6 hours. I hope this helps you out.
 

bilge

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I know there are a couple threads asking about buying a S80600 but i am curious who has these up and running at this time. I am curious how much better the colors are and what the true real life speed of these machine are? Is it worth the red and orange colors? We do a lot of wraps and contour cut decals and banners.


If i missed a post of someone else asking the same things i am sorry please link to it bc i have missed it in my searches!!

My current printer is a Mutoh 1324.

I've read some of your comment and you have hard time to make desicion of buying a new printer. If I were you, I would get 2 printers on that budget. I didn't see Epson S80, but since it has 2 pieces TFP aka DX10 can be predicted about 100sqf on SAV. Maybe in fresh new condition you can get 150, but next year after wear it will drop significantly. I don't know whether you need 10 colors for decals and wraps. You would ask about self adhesive vynil for pigment ink from HP or other vendors. It should cost more than ordinary SAV, but you will save on ink. If you could find it consider Z6600 and OKI E64s. Together cost about 24000 little over than S80. Then you can print decals on z6600 with no outgas time, no ink drop, no missing nozzle, no fading, and print wraps and banners on Oki. Oki also print on SAV if there is no extremely fine details. z6600 produce around 100sqf on SAV, OKI 80-100 sqf. Then you will get at least twice the output and able to offer almost everything on roll to roll. This is just my idea based on my experience.
 

altereddezignz

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Yes you are very correct on the hard time making a decision. Dropping cash on a full shop setup st one time should be hard for anyone to make a decision on. The issue I come to is color. I know as soon as i say all this I am going to have color management people tell me it's all about profile. Ow I do understand that but you will. It get the colors out of any Roland or mutoh or any other printer for that matter if it doesn't have the same color combination. The company uses 2 mimaka I think that's right. Both set up with dual cmyk????!?

We have a very dull color market around here. You never see anything bright or anything that really stands out more than the rest. Now it may be profiles, it may be printers and it may simply be the designers but there is a huge market for brighter and bolder here. I will attach a couple pictures that I fell in love with a while back simply because of the colors. There is a demand for it but hardly no one does it.

I've read some of your comment and you have hard time to make desicion of buying a new printer. If I were you, I would get 2 printers on that budget. I didn't see Epson S80, but since it has 2 pieces TFP aka DX10 can be predicted about 100sqf on SAV. Maybe in fresh new condition you can get 150, but next year after wear it will drop significantly. I don't know whether you need 10 colors for decals and wraps. You would ask about self adhesive vynil for pigment ink from HP or other vendors. It should cost more than ordinary SAV, but you will save on ink. If you could find it consider Z6600 and OKI E64s. Together cost about 24000 little over than S80. Then you can print decals on z6600 with no outgas time, no ink drop, no missing nozzle, no fading, and print wraps and banners on Oki. Oki also print on SAV if there is no extremely fine details. z6600 produce around 100sqf on SAV, OKI 80-100 sqf. Then you will get at least twice the output and able to offer almost everything on roll to roll. This is just my idea based on my experience.
 

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altereddezignz

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Company is out of canada so I don't mind their name here is so I'll remove pics. The greens they get at out of this world. Yes I may be picky and thinking above what can happen but someone is doing it??? I looked to see if I could find the printer on Mimaki site but did not. Thanks again for all the help everyone.
 

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bilge

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Yes you are very correct on the hard time making a decision. Dropping cash on a full shop setup st one time should be hard for anyone to make a decision on. The issue I come to is color. I know as soon as i say all this I am going to have color management people tell me it's all about profile. Ow I do understand that but you will. It get the colors out of any Roland or mutoh or any other printer for that matter if it doesn't have the same color combination. The company uses 2 mimaka I think that's right. Both set up with dual cmyk????!?

We have a very dull color market around here. You never see anything bright or anything that really stands out more than the rest. Now it may be profiles, it may be printers and it may simply be the designers but there is a huge market for brighter and bolder here. I will attach a couple pictures that I fell in love with a while back simply because of the colors. There is a demand for it but hardly no one does it.

Yes, it is all about combination of ink, substrate, profile and designers ability. I think most important thing is ink itself. Higher the pigment load in it easier to get bright colors, but the other hand it creates problems to the printer like clogged nozzles, build-ups in pumps and lines etc. If number of colors less (like 4 colors) easier to get bright solid colors but difficult to get gradients, in other hand 8 colors or more have more color gamut good for photorealistic images but difficult to get extreme brights. I'm not saying it is not achievable but you might need help from specialists to make profile correctly. For example, if you need red color on 4 color printer you play only with M and Y, but 10 color printer you need to adjust M, Y, Lm, and R. I had Mimaki's JV3, JV4 and JV5. But don't mislead by this pictures, it has increased contrast.
According to your market, I've been to the US several times, my multi entry visa will expire in 2024, so I have seen things around there.
Most important thing is choosing the correct printer, it will determine your future either you grow or fail.
That's why I suggest these 2 printers. But it's up to you follow or not. I'm not selling these things, also I'm not your competitor and not a tech. But where I live, people saying "a suffered old lady's advice is better than an unexperienced doctor's".
My rule number 1. don't buy any printer with multi channel printhead. It is too risky, after you settled (maybe become rich) you might play with it, but not now.
If I have Epson S80, I print only photos or repro artwork on fine art canvas. That's the purpose.
 

altereddezignz

New Member
I'm about to walk out my door but wanted to ask one question. You said. It to buy a multi channel head?????! Almost every printer on the market is a multi channel head other than latex for the most part?
 

ProColorGraphics

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Company is out of canada so I don't mind their name here is so I'll remove pics. The greens they get at out of this world. Yes I may be picky and thinking above what can happen but someone is doing it??? I looked to see if I could find the printer on Mimaki site but did not. Thanks again for all the help everyone.

Keep in mind that if these happen to come off of Instagram, they could easily have a filter done to them to make them look super bright!
 

altereddezignz

New Member
The pics i posted on here yes are off Instagram. WE looked at several of his wraps in Florida last year at a show and i have seen many of his builds at Sema. They are just as bring in person as they are online i promise you.

I have sent a message just asking a couple simple questions hoping they might give me a little incite as since they are no in the us, But you never know. I just know i have never seen prints like this in the us from a printer using CMYK Eco solvents. If there are some i have not found them yet.
 

31legen

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Mimaki

Im a mimaki user and can tell you my machine can not come close to hitting the same colors as an s80600
 

altereddezignz

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Im a mimaki user and can tell you my machine can not come close to hitting the same colors as an s80600

Well after this comment i am simply at a loss. I mean am i looking for something that doesnt exist?

I mean is there a way to run like a bright green and orange on the Mimaki printers to acheive what they are? Like a CMYK Green, Orange or something like that?
 

usdsoccer

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Well after this comment i am simply at a loss. I mean am i looking for something that doesnt exist?

I mean is there a way to run like a bright green and orange on the Mimaki printers to acheive what they are? Like a CMYK Green, Orange or something like that?


If you're looking for the best quality in this segment, the S80600 is your answer. Vehicle wraps, decals, canvas....from what I've seen the S80600 is going to give you the best image/color. The stock profiles that are included should be more than enough to blow your local competition away.
 

altereddezignz

New Member
If you're looking for the best quality in this segment, the S80600 is your answer. Vehicle wraps, decals, canvas....from what I've seen the S80600 is going to give you the best image/color. The stock profiles that are included should be more than enough to blow your local competition away.


Thank you but I will not stop at good enough lol. Looks like we will be haveing the full xrite system coming with it. Maybe a color profiler to come in to learn some stuff from as well. Thanks for the help everyone.
 

bilge

New Member
I'm about to walk out my door but wanted to ask one question. You said. It to buy a multi channel head?????! Almost every printer on the market is a multi channel head other than latex for the most part?
I know, it's hard hear the truth. Almost all industrial printers have twin channel head like Seiko, Konica Minolta, Spectra except Ricoh Gen. That's why it's very difficult to compete with them in terms of price and color. Printers with Epson printhead is really extended desktop printer with heater. I already gave you clue, look at OKI E64. It has 6 smaller Seiko printheads. The MSRP is 15000 so within your budget. If you ready to invest more, you can get M64 at 28000. Roland TruVis now launched second line of printers with Ricoh GH2220 which also twin channel industrial head. Soon all Roland lines will equipped with this head. Yes you already heard, this is the cheapest head per channel. It costs little over 500 bucks. But the printer itself overpriced.
At last you hit the point by yourself, looking for a printer which doesn't exist.
 
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