Gino if what you say is true, Ive been doing it all wrong. Many times I have looked at a picture of something and drew it, then scanned that in and vectored to be used on a sign. Id say almost everyone here has done that. There is nothing wrong with that. The ability to draw from life doesnt come that easy either. Those that can do it make use of it. Drawing from scratch is a whole different thing. Using no reference material at all is hard for anyone. If he drew the tools shown in his logo by merely looking at them, he did a good job. Even tracing them they look good. I really dont see what all the hoopla is about. His logo looks okay, but I agree with the advice that the wording is hid and should be shown. Other than that, I think its a pretty good stab at it.
I think you and some others missed my point. I'm not saying you can only do art from scratch. As I said, I'll trace and copy things myself, but to say one created this or that and is not copying it from anywhere is I think false as he has now admitted. That's all I was getting at. I truly despise someone taking credit for someone else's efforts.
For someone to say they have all this down pat and can't see varying light sources, several types of shadowing, let alone different styles within the same piece.... how can you offer up help to someone who will give you back-pedaling responses ?? They don't want to be helped. In school, you are focusing on very young and impressionable minds and you need to help.... help.... help. With an adult, you need to work with someone who will be honest with you... or move on to the next person. It doesn't take long to see who is hiding something vs. someone who is totally trying. Like I said, I don't like fakers.
My beginnings was as a fine arts teacher of post-secondary and/or college or university level. Obviously, I didn't follow that direction, mainly because of lack of funding, but had an outlet in sign painting which seemed to probably pay better. Besides, I was young and didn't do anything I was supposed to do. I did all the pictorials for the places I worked. In the 70's, during the van mural craze, I freelanced quite a bit of mural work for several van shops. As for Motorguy here.... he needs help, but for some reason, wants us to help him under false pretenses.
Sometimes we all can help and sometimes we can miss the boat and yet sometimes we can error in character. Perhaps, I've erred with Motorguy, but as time unravels, he seems to admit these things.
Let's get one thing straight with the members here.... I'm no way saying we have to have a bunch of honest credentials and everyone pony up who, what and where they are, but in the same breath, we don't have to like each other in order to help each other. We don't have to agree with views on business, politics, or anything else. However, I do think it's necessary to be honest with each other, so we can all help each other. Afterall, if I can't trust the person I'm helping and they tend to get in their own way..... why would I want to help that certain someone ??
For someone to tell me not to read their posts or answer them is in my opinion more selfish than my not helping until. My answers or someone else with the same mindset, will be helping many other readers.... and future readers to come, down the road.
So, it all comes back to, are we helping this person to draw, since he said he knows how or are we helping him with layout, balance and design. There IS... truly a difference.
Even the best will let out an element from time to time, but they'll admit it and thank you for another set of eyes critiquing it, but not this guy. He just goes on claiming he knows better, but still makes all the fundamental mistakes over and over again.