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New mid volume printer choices.

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Printers' started by Bly, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    I'm thinking of getting a new eco solvent printer in a few months.
    We have a Roland 745EX and it's fine for what it is but I need something a little quicker on vinyl and paper.
    I was thinking of the new Seiko V64S or maybe the Epson GS6000. Anything else in this price range?
    Any owners of either of these care to share their experience.
    Thanks.
     
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  2. Bizzarth

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    I'm a big fan of the Mutoh line of printers. Take a look at their ValueJet line: www.mutoh.com
     
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    I have heard tons of rave reviews on the Epson and matter of fact am in the final stages of putting on my order for one.

    The new Seiko looks pretty impressive as well but I haven't seen or heard anyone with one yet.

    Thanks,
    Kurt
     
  4. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    I should clarify I've read all the posts here about the Epson.
    Anyone got the Seiko or anything else that compares?

    Thanks guys.
     
  5. insignia

    insignia Very Active Member

    What kind of throughput are you after? Have you checked out the Mimaki JV5?
     
  6. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    Throughput, no specific requirements. Just want to get rush jobs done as quick as possible.

    I know nothing of the Mimakis or Mutohs.
     
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    Have a look at the Mutoh Valuejet 1614 or 1618, Roland RS-640 or Soljet PRO III XJ-640.
     
  8. insignia

    insignia Very Active Member

    What's your budget?
     
  9. cdiesel

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    The Mutoh's aren't going to be fast enough if you're looking for more speed over your Roland. The Epson really isn't that much faster either. The Seiko is fairly fast, and the price wasn't too bad (At ISA they were running specials of like $60k for the 100").
     
  10. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    I'm in Australia so we're paying thru the nose for anything imported by one or two dealers.
    Around $40-$50k Oz pesos.
     
  11. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    Thanks, that's the kind of info I'm after. So the V64S is faster than the others in this class? I know the new 74 and 100 are way faster but more than my budget atm.
     
  12. cdiesel

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    I'm not positive on the V64S.. the model we looked at was the 100", and they said it was printing at about 450sf/hr, and the print looked outstanding.
    For $30kUS, you can get a Roland XJ740 that'll print 74" wide and run about 150sf/hr in production mode. You can kick that up to about 300sf/hr in high speed banner mode, and 450sf/hr in billboard mode (we only use billboard for mesh banners and literally billboards).
    The Mimakis may be a nice option too. The Roland VersArt machines are nice also, and they're not as expensive as the XJ series.
     
  13. Bly

    Bly Very Active Member

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    I guess another Roland would make sense with the same inks although I think they're a bit too expensive.
    Well thanks for the info and advice, definitely need to do more research on this.
     
  14. digitalsolutionsok

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    The Roland has to be the fastest for the buck, and why change hardware?

    Then you gota run another rip in most cases and learn how to run a entirely different piece of equipment and believe me they all are different in the way they do things.

    Chris is the V64 running a variable dot head or fixed at 100" ?

    When most company's add equipment of course you take into account the price, but you really should be focusing more on production and through-put. If you are a Roland user then in my dealings with production print shops that run roland when they go to another brand it is a bit more difficult especially when you got that big job and you end up running 1 job on 2 different types of printers.

    I CALL THAT HEADACHE CITY ..... You gotta live by the K.I.S.S. theory
     
  15. Adam Bennett

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    Mutoh has a dual head printer that is MUCH faster than the GS6000

    Instead of an 8 color inkset, it runs CMYKx2
     
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    Are you refering to the 1600 series mutoh? I dont really see a BIG difference in speed between the Epson and the dual head mutoh.... Maybe a bit faster but nothing thats of proportion in production sense.
     
  17. raider

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    Grimco has GS6000 for $18k
     
  18. Adam Bennett

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    From Epsons site:

    "For unsurpassed print quality up to 91 square-foot-per-hour (SFPH) or everyday production quality printing up to 180 SFPH"

    From Mutohs' site:

    "ValueJet 1618-64” Dual Headed 8 Channel Printer... reaching speeds up to an astonishing 480 square feet per hour in production mode. "
     
  19. gnemmas

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    Do you consider the ink cost when buying printers?

    Our ink cost per month are way more than printer leasing payment.

    Can you chip in on you ink cost for your brand printer?

    My Mimaki & Valuejt use same ink at $125/liter.
     
  20. cdiesel

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    Make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Mutoh doesn't list speed per mode, just an "up to" speed. I guarantee you won't be printing 720x720 at 480sf/hr!

    From Epson's Spec Sheet

    Print Engine SpeedsA

    1440 x 1440 dpi, 16-pass32 SFPH
    1440 x 720 dpi, 8-pass71 SFPH
    720 x 720 dpi, 8-pass91 SFPH
    540 x 720 dpi, 6-pass122 SFPH
    720 x 720 dpi, 4-pass180 SFPH
    720 x 360 dpi, 2-pass340 SFPH
     
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