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Need Help New to sign making and need lots of advice!

Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by fusiontechs, Jul 9, 2020.

  1. peerlessdani

    peerlessdani Member

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    I don't think I personally would do it. Much less hassle to just let the sign company do it for you and I don't think you'd save enough money to make it worth it.
     
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  2. TammieH

    TammieH Very Active Member

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    I miss the days when we were called "Sign Painters" instead of Sign Makers, now everyone who knows how to turn a computer on, thinks they can design and make signs.

    PS Notice my use of the 2 commas... Laughs
     
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  3. JBurton

    JBurton Signtologist

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    Quick question, are you ordering multiple times a year, or once a year? I'd get a quote for 1k, 10k, and 50k signs, then figure out what you have the storage space for (and obviously whether it's economical to use it for sign storage) and then order the biggest quantity that you can afford.
     
  4. MI Bearcat

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    He would need quite a bit of space just for the printer and cutter as well as storage space for all the 4 x 8 sheets he would need to buy so he must have a lot of spare room.
     
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  5. mkmieciak

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    I got insurance, I have a building, I have employees. Truck, tools, ladders, meters (probably different meters but what a couple of hundred bucks?) CHECK. I got a list too. It goes on and on also. "Signage" is just trying to point out how ridiculous your request is. Do you give away your expertise to anyone? We share our knowledge to advance our businesses or help those new to our business. NOT someone trying to circumvent our businesses. I don't know enough about the satellite business for an analogy but somehow stealing cable or dish broadcast might fit the bill.
    Don't get pi**ed because basically the whole forum tells you to buy the signs at the incredible price your getting.
    Ever hear the old saying "Jack of all Trades. Master of None".
     
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  6. netsol

    netsol Active Member

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    peerlessdani,
    they really are not a bad bunch, a bit too quick to go to the pitchforks and flaming torches (like the villagers in the old black and white frankenstein movie) when someone decides they have sufficient volume to take sign production in house.

    i certainly understand the reluctance to give away " trade secrets" but over the years in my other businesses (commercial video consultant in the late 1970's and '80's & computer consultant in the 1990's to present day) i have assisted many clients "taking operations in house". we always maintained a good relationship with former clients, and many times got much more business from them after assisting inhouse operations.

    i imagine this is one of those issues where i will be at odds with many in our group.
    i wish fusiontech good luck in his venture, and will assist wherever i can
     
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  7. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah Member

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    Formula for Failure . But you won't listen ...
     
  8. netsol

    netsol Active Member

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    fusiontechs

    i still think a partnership/timeshare/joint venture, perhaps with someone with screen printing experience is ideal. your learning curve stops being a problem, with experienced partner.

    someone who wants to do political signs is only busy for election season.
    whole rest of the year to produce your signs
    partner with someone who can't afford the screen printing/flatbed equipment
    let him produce your signs & earn "sweat equity"

    i would look on craigslist for an experienced production person, interested in being your. inhouse sign department

    you gain the flexibility of being able to produce or purchase screen printed signs (run the numbers, see which way makes sense) but, with the right partner, you can keep that extra production capacity in play. you stil have the option of buying ebay/craigslist or a liquidator like lease acceptance. i would shop for the right employee (potentially partner?)
    this will decide what mix of equipment/ technology works for you both

    a little outside the box thinking, and your original idea to shave the margins might really work
     
  9. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    From the sounds of it I think you're right
     
  10. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    We typically order 2-3k a month at a time
     
  11. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    I guess you know everything :)
     
  12. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    I'm not pissed, maybe flabbergasted at some of the responses but based upon the responses of people that actually tried to educate me (without being rude about it) it definitely sounds like it's an endeavor I don't need to attempt. I do appreciate everyone that has been helpful with this though
     
  13. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    Thank you so much for understanding
     
  14. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    Yup, I haven't listened to anyone that hasn't actually produced HELPFUL information but those that have I have listened to.....
     
  15. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    This is an excellent idea! I will definitely look into this option. Thank you for the help :)
     
  16. fusiontechs

    fusiontechs New Member

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    Sooooo helpful!
     
  17. asapsignsfl1

    asapsignsfl1 Member

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    Some things to consider- Cost of a good reliable Flatbed; Training someone to run and maintain the Flatbed; A computer & Software to create your signs; On going Maintenance for the equipment; Ink; floor space; If you print on 4'X8' sheets, you need to be concerned with registration & size & you will have to cut them up; You'll need a decent cutter; you may need additional insurance... I may be leaving things out that other sign professionals can add to the list.

    Lots of folks on this site also outsource work when it makes sense. Hope this helps in the evaluation.

    Just sayin' Bob P
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