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Need Help NEW to signmaking, new (OLDDDD) printer/plotter, cant get anywhere, please help!

Discussion in 'Roland' started by dtsowosso, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. dtsowosso

    dtsowosso New Member

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    Guys, I am completely new to this and I am completely lost.

    I picked up a ColorCamm PC-600 for dirt cheap. Yes, I know its ancient. Yes, I know. I know. But for the price, its worth a small struggle of getting it going.

    Ok.. so unless theres a trick that I am unaware of, I know these drivers only work on windows xp.

    SO, my first step was making an WinXP VM in Virtualbox. Got that working, installed the drivers on LPT1.

    FINALLY got Flexi and Production Manager installed, added the device in production manager, sent test print and I get the 'cant open port' message. Here is where I note that the VM host is Windows 10, and the printer is connected using a parallel to usb cable.

    Double checking, virtualbox sees the USB cable as 'belkin components', and is sharing the usb device to the VM.

    What have I overlooked? Please? Anyone?
     
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    good luck! I appreciate keeping the old equipment running!
     
  3. dtsowosso

    dtsowosso New Member

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    thanks, lol, I am having one issue after another with this thing but I am sure I will get it figured out at some point. anxious to get cutting.
     
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    you will have a much easier time accessing the roland from a vm using the print server
     
  6. WildWestDesigns

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    Emulated parallel ports trying to do a USB passthrough don't tend to work in VMs. At best it will be 50/50 in VBox. Having to make sure that you have drivers that work in the VM as well. So you'll need XP drivers, not Win 10 to help your odds, still no promises, but it does help.

    I'm a huge fan of VMs, I run four of them (one VM within another VM (no Win 98 support in Vbox, so have to do it that way for that VM)), but it does come with it's limitations.
     
  7. Gino

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    According to your profile, you have 2 other functional machines. Why waste time and money on technology that's about 25 years old ??
     
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  8. creativevinyl

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    I used to have a PC600 resin/ribbon printer.
    It was quite a good little machine that print and cut.
    I would just get an old PC with a parellel port and stick it on the network.
    I have an 20 year old Graphtec FC4100 130 that runs on a parralel port, i just got a PCI Card with seial and Parallel ports on it, this seemed to work for me.

    I run Flexi 19 on a subscription service so dont need the thousands to purchase it outright. This has the divers for that printer, that may be an option for you, No XP needed then.
     
  9. netsol

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    the one thing they still do well is print on styrene, and they don't fade
     
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    wild west,
    at our largest client, we have 39 vm's running on 3 hosts in a cisco hyperflex high. availability cluster. (the hyperflex is a horror story, i wish we had stayed with esxi hosts, which was my recommendation)

    if you ever need to access usb devices, Digi makes a tcp to usb adapter (the mirror image of what OP needs) , allows sharing a usb device across your network. rock solid devices, i reboot them once a year & forget they exist thecrest of the time
     
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  11. Gino

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    A PC 600 prints directly to styrene ??
     
  12. WildWestDesigns

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    I'm thinking about updating my main workstation (xeon with 32GB of ECC ram to something a little bit more robust) to handle more VMs (doing a lot more with python, js and electron and I use the VMs for development

    Oh now, that's awesome, I'll definitely look into that.
     
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    we were printing to styrene with a citizen printiva and an alps md5000 in 1994, i think

    i did some work for the "new" rutgers athletic center that year

    this stuff hardly ever fades if you use the clear over coating, try that with your gerber fx
     
  14. Gino

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    While what you say might be true, you are not talking about a PC 600. However, thermal printing is very durable, although that machine is still 25 year old technology.
     
  15. netsol

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    very true
    i have one pc600 we have had for 3 yrs, very troubleome since we replaced main board. recently picked up a pc60 and (2) pc 600's
    we don't have space for them anywhere right now (500 sq ft of shop space, my 2 car garage & (4)10' x 10' storage units
    on 4/1/2020 we take posession of a 4300 sq ft warehouse

    give me 10 days to get situated & i will send you a styrene sign printed on a pc 600 or admit that i was wrong (not something that comes easily to me)
     
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    we are currently laminating 4' x 6' coro panels in borrowed space, can't wait till we have enough space to setup all our toys in one location!
     
  17. Gino

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    Let me know. Other than cast or calendered vinyl, you're not gonna get sheets of styrene to go through properly. Even if you could, how will the heating elements be effective ??

    My experience with most second guessing of equipment is..... if it could really do it, and do it appropriately, they'd be advertising it as such. Otherwise, it's just something you can do, but isn't a good idea.
     
  18. WildWestDesigns

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    I think this is why you have some people that Frankenstein hardware/software (well if they are able to do that with software portion) to get it to do things that it may not ordinarily do, or at least advertised as such. Didn't there used to be a user on here from Houston that loved to do that type of stuff, see what boundaries that they could push their hardware?

    If right to repair goes the way that it looks like it might, what is going on with tractors and their used market, I could easily see happen with the used market with printers as well. Might see more and more people going with the older tech, Frankensteining it to get away with more.
     
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    regarding right to repair, roland is really pushing it with the new firmwares, making it impossible to getbto service menu, instead of just very difficult

    if they want to change the industry to "printing as a service" then they should try marketing that way. i have predicted hp will be the first to try this
     

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