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[Stacey K]

So did I. I just wanted to find out what they were teaching.

The courses I took were Design 1, Design 2 and Design 3. But they were not courses in design. They were courses in Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop.
The instructor did give any design instruction at all, but only instruction in how to use the Adobe tools—which is like learning to use screwdrivers and wire strippers and then calling yourself an electrician.

I wonder how common this is in small colleges? Obviously, a "design degree" from such a place may have little value.

Brad

When my son was a senior in 2020 he had graphic arts class at high school. The local Chevy dealer was giving a $100 Amazon card to the kid who created the best new logo for them. My son won...which I was glad and also expected people would assume I made it for him, which I didn't. Anyway - the dealer needed the logo for some advertising. My son - DURING CLASS - called me because he couldn't figure out how to save it as a vector file. I said ASK THE TEACHER- she didn't know how either! Back and fourth for a day with the teacher on this! Guess who ended up RECREATING this logo with a "gold plated chevy logo" and shadows, etc....ME! Took me like 2 hours with all the damn shading he had in there. The dealer called me a couple times since for the artwork...I told my son he owes me an Amazon gift card LOL

 

[Boudica]

When my son was a senior in 2020 he had graphic arts class at high school. The local Chevy dealer was giving a $100 Amazon card to the kid who created the best new logo for them. My son won...which I was glad and also expected people would assume I made it for him, which I didn't. Anyway - the dealer needed the logo for some advertising. My son - DURING CLASS - called me because he couldn't figure out how to save it as a vector file. I said ASK THE TEACHER- she didn't know how either! Back and fourth for a day with the teacher on this! Guess who ended up RECREATING this logo with a "gold plated chevy logo" and shadows, etc....ME! Took me like 2 hours with all the damn shading he had in there. The dealer called me a couple times since for the artwork...I told my son he owes me an Amazon gift card LOL

Yes, he definitely owes you that gift card!

 

[RabidOne]

So did I. I just wanted to find out what they were teaching.

The courses I took were Design 1, Design 2 and Design 3. But they were not courses in design. They were courses in Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop.
The instructor did give any design instruction at all, but only instruction in how to use the Adobe tools—which is like learning to use screwdrivers and wire strippers and then calling yourself an electrician.

I wonder how common this is in small colleges? Obviously, a "design degree" from such a place may have little value.

Brad

I also took a couple of classes at another College. Their design program was the opposite. Make pretty designs, let someone else figure out how to make it work in the real world.
Which we used to joke about, "If it wasn't for poorly trained designers we wouldn't have a job!"

 

[Scotchbrite]

I'm amazed at some of the layers and masks on files I get. There will be random shapes placed through to block out certain elements, etc. All in the name of making it look right but not usable.

 

[netsol]

I did a banner for a lady two summers ago. She was a neighbor of mine and she taught graphic arts at a jr high in the area. I thought she understood things. The admin staff for her school had all created bitmoji's on their phones and they sent them to her for a banner. I blew up the bit mojis to a 4'x8' banner and they were (GASP) pixelated. I tell that to the graphic artist and so she says, "oh, no worries, I will add pixels". So, she does..and it doesn't make it any better.

So she has to use the people's actual photos...which, in the education world, that's just not as fun...whatever. So then she sends me a file and I tell her it's super pixelated and she says, "HOW? it's a PDF?" So, I tell her, just because you took a jpg and exported into a pdf, the original image is STILL A JPG. SHE'S A GRAPHIC ARTIST! SHE TEACHES GRAPHIC ARTS...

those who can do, those who can't teach, they say...

 

[Humble PM]

those who can do, those who can't teach, they say...

College I went to, there were staff toilets adjacent to the student toilets. On the wall of one student stall the grafitti developed over time:
Those who can do
Those who can't teach
Those who can't teach lecture
Those who can't lecture, lecture at XXXXXXXX

The janitors knew the staff never used the student facilities, so didn't feel the need to delete the ongoing conversation.

 

[Geneva Olson]

those who can do, those who can't teach, they say...

and those who can't teach become administrators. My first year teaching I was asked to watch my boss because I caught her cheating. She taught math and knew nothing about math. She went to school to be a language arts teacher. 2 years later she was named teacher of the year. a year later she was the department chair. and another year later she was an administrator collecting data.

She used to come ask me how to teach functions. yea..she self admittedly knew nothing about math. and they had her in charge of data collection. cooking books like enron.

 

[Stacey K]

and those who can't teach become administrators. My first year teaching I was asked to watch my boss because I caught her cheating. She taught math and knew nothing about math. She went to school to be a language arts teacher. 2 years later she was named teacher of the year. a year later she was the department chair. and another year later she was an administrator collecting data.

She used to come ask me how to teach functions. yea..she self admittedly knew nothing about math. and they had her in charge of data collection. cooking books like enron.

Sounds like this lady was doing naughty things under the desk to get where she was!

 

[victor bogdanov]

Run that though Topaz Gigapixel AI and get a usable quality image in 30 seconds. couple of minutes to add the cut lines.

With gigapixel there is rarely an image that can't be used, saves lots of time asking customers for good files

 

[Johnny Best]

I liked the guy’s artwork. In the 10 minutes talking to him you could have made a cut line around it. Printed it out, lam and cut it out without saying much. Plus you would not have to waste another 15 minutes complaining about him on here.

 

[ProSignTN]

Run that though Topaz Gigapixel AI and get a usable quality image in 30 seconds. couple of minutes to add the cut lines.

With gigapixel there is rarely an image that can't be used, saves lots of time asking customers for good files

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Run that crap through the CSI computer and you still got crap. Move on, dudes on oxies.

 

[Boudica]

Gigapixel doesn't do well with text, its designed for photographs. It would likely make that text even more distorted. It's not for vectorizing artwork to be contour cut.

 

[Notarealsignguy]

and those

Sounds like this lady was doing naughty things under the desk to get where she was!

and in 20 years when she's fat and ugly she's gonna sue and claim she was taken advantage of

 

[Johnny Best]

and those

and in 20 years when she's fat and ugly she's gonna sue and claim she was taken advantage of

And compensation for new knee replacements that were damaged during that time.

 

[truckgraphics]

After reading your stories, I almost told you mine.

But then I realized, we have the same customer.

And for some reason, he - or she - keeps coming back.

 

[gnubler]

I also took a couple of classes at another College. Their design program was the opposite. Make pretty designs, let someone else figure out how to make it work in the real world. Which we used to joke about, "If it wasn't for poorly trained designers we wouldn't have a job!"

Commercial prepress = digital sh!t shoveling. All the technology just makes it worse...Canva, etc. Everyone's logo is now "on Vistaprint".

 

[binki]

These people never cease to amaze me! "What do you mean you can't just print me a sticker quick"

We get these requests all the time. People wanting to bring something to decorate and wait for it. We don't even answer those emails and for calls we tell them 3-4 weeks. That pretty much takes care of that.

 

[Stacey K]

We get these requests all the time. People wanting to bring something to decorate and wait for it. We don't even answer those emails and for calls we tell them 3-4 weeks. That pretty much takes care of that.

Yes I hung up on one this week looking for “banner scraps” he could tape together and vinyl letters he can glue on. Good grief. Turned down a couple more. One guy “tempted “ me with an order of “7” shirts if I would make his wife one joke shirt. I said I’ll make you 12 and once you pay for those I’ll make you one for your wife. Never heard back which what I expected lol gee…a big order of “7” shirts…wow!!!


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[binki]

Yes I hung up on one this week looking for “banner scraps” he could tape together and vinyl letters he can glue on. Good grief. Turned down a couple more. One guy “tempted “ me with an order of “7” shirts if I would make his wife one joke shirt. I said I’ll make you 12 and once you pay for those I’ll make you one for your wife. Never heard back which what I expected lol gee…a big order of “7” shirts…wow!!!


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Yeah, we get these all the time. The one that really frosts my cookies is a local High School Band that came to us with an 'order'. We spent 2 hours with them and then they said they would shop the prices. Wait! What? This was an appointment to place an order, not to shop it. At that point we told them where they could go and also there would never be another order from them to us again.

 

[jcskikus]

So did I. I just wanted to find out what they were teaching.

The courses I took were Design 1, Design 2 and Design 3. But they were not courses in design. They were courses in Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop.
The instructor did give any design instruction at all, but only instruction in how to use the Adobe tools—which is like learning to use screwdrivers and wire strippers and then calling yourself an electrician.

I wonder how common this is in small colleges? Obviously, a "design degree" from such a place may have little value.

Brad

That was my introduction in 1992 when I returned to William Paterson University. "Here's PageMaker and this is what each tool does." We were learning on old Mac IIe desktops that were old and constantly had issues.
My computer design education took me that same semester to interning at Felix The Cat Productions as a comic book artist, using a Window PC and CorelDraw for graphics layout we used on some of the comic book pages (print, cut, and paste). The only class I benefitted from that year was color theory. Every signmaker should take it.