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Partnership Taxes

Tovis

New Member
My friend an I are venturing into business together. I am use to doing business as a Sole Proprietor. I'd like to just set up a DBA form as a partnership. We both do business under that name. We both get paid from the hours we do in a job and both are responsible for our own expenses and such.

Is it possible to set up a partnership, and just declare our personal earnings on our taxes as a sceadule C? OR do we have to do K1s and everything. It is just a simple web design business.
 

Fanaticus

New Member
The partnership I'm a part of is split 50/50. We're supposed to do equal work, but it's not always that way... but always share the profits 50/50. You could speak with your attorney, usually when starting a new partnership you get some sort of contract in writing stating who does what and who gets what... if you and your partner are in agreement with how you want to run things your lawyer should be able to put it into writting. The accountant should be able to figure the tax issue out.
 

WrapperX

New Member
"The only ship that doesn't sail is a partnership"
Dave Ramsey

Partnerships usually don't work out unless one of the partners owns 51% of the biz. Just sayin'...

:goodpost:

Absolutely - Even if you trust your friend with your life. I would make sure you have an air tight contract or agreement that states who does what, who gets what, and in the event of dissolvement of said partnership - it should state who gets what.

Even the best of friends can be pulled apart by a business agreement. Each person has their own style of working, their own work ethic, and it can get really ugly once one person is doing what they feel is more then their share of work. Then there's the whole, skimming off the top cause they are the "boss" mentality and it can get really ugly.

AIR TIGHT - thats what I suggest. Kinda like a prenuptual agreement. make sure there are certain clauses in there about what happens if this. what happens if that. Its for the protection of the both of you. Of course right now, you say - "well that won't happen" but when it gets tight things happen. WHen things go well and there's money all around things can happen. With these safe guards in place it limits the ability to be tempted by success or failure.

Kinda wishing I had thought of these things back when I tried to be my own boss with a partner. NEVER AGAIN will I have a full 100% 50/50 partnership.
 

CheapVehicleWrap

New Member
My friend an I are venturing into business together. I am use to doing business as a Sole Proprietor. I'd like to just set up a DBA form as a partnership. We both do business under that name. We both get paid from the hours we do in a job and both are responsible for our own expenses and such.

Is it possible to set up a partnership, and just declare our personal earnings on our taxes as a sceadule C? OR do we have to do K1s and everything. It is just a simple web design business.


Good luck with that. Really. But I'd lay my money that at some point (sooner the better for you) that you wish you never gave up being a sole proprietor. Well, at least it's not family.
 

ddarlak

Go Bills!
never say never... going on 15 years of a very profitable partnership.

there have been some rocky times, but 15 years will do that to any relationship.

-get everything hammered out in writing first, everything, even down to the eventual partnership dissolvement.
 

PromoGuyTy

New Member
Partnerships can certainly work. And, as these posts attest, they can certainly be difficult.

Get online, find a good template and write a partnership agreement. And, yep, try to allow for most any situation, esp. dissolution.

Usually, there aren't problems in partnership unless:

1.- Drastic different expectations by partners weren't dealt with upfront.

or

2- Partnership not making any money.

or

3- Partnership making lots of money.

They ain't easy, but they CAN work...just be sure your expectations are similiar and known upfront, in the form of a well-WRITTEN partnership agreement.

In my experience, partnerships work especially well when the business is simplistic and each partner has similar goals.

What does it mean to be a "pass-through" tax entity in the eyes of the IRS?


For many small businesses, paying income tax means struggling to master double-entry bookkeeping and employee withholding rules while ferreting out every possible business deduction. For partnerships, paying taxes also involves understanding difficult terms like "distributive share," "special allocation," and "substantial economic effect." Here, we demystify some of these complexities and explain the basics of how partnerships are taxed.
How Partnership Income Is Taxed

Generally, the IRS does not consider partnerships to be separate from their owners for tax purposes; instead, they are considered "pass-through" tax entities. This means that all of the profits and losses of the partnership "pass through" the business to the partners, who pay taxes on their share of the profits (or deduct their share of the losses) on their individual income tax returns. Each partner's share of profits and losses is usually set out in a written partnership agreement.
Filing Tax Returns

Even though the partnership itself does not pay income taxes, it must file Form 1065 with the IRS. This form is an informational return the IRS reviews to determine whether the partners are reporting their income correctly. The partnership must also provide a Schedule K-1 to the IRS and to each partner, which breaks down each partner's share of the business's profits and losses. In turn, each partner reports this profit and loss information on his or her individual tax return (Form 1040), with Schedule E attached.
Estimating and Paying Taxes

Because there is no employer to compute and withhold income taxes, each partner must set aside enough money to pay taxes on his share of annual profits. Partners must estimate the amount of tax they will owe for the year and make payments to the IRS (and usually to the appropriate state tax agency) each quarter -- in April, July, October, and January.
Profits Are Taxed Whether Partners Receive Them or Not

The IRS requires each partner to pay income taxes on his "distributive share." This is the portion of profits to which the partner is entitled under a partnership agreement -- or under state law, if the partners didn't make an agreement. The IRS treats each partner as though he or she received his distributive share each year. This means that you must pay taxes on your share of the partnership's profits -- total sales minus expenses -- regardless of how much money you actually withdraw from the business.
The practical significance of the IRS rule about distributive shares is that even if partners need to leave profits in the partnership -- for instance, to cover future expenses or expand the business -- each partner will owe income tax on his or her rightful share of that money. (If your business will regularly need to retain profits, you should consider incorporating -- corporations offer some relief from this particular tax bite. To learn more, see "Incorporating Your Business May Cut Your Tax Bill," below.)
Establishing the Partners' Distributive Shares

Unless business partners make a written partnership agreement that says otherwise, state law usually allocates profits and losses to the partners according to their ownership interests in the business. This allocation determines each partner's distributive share. For instance, if Andre owns 60% of a partnership and Jenya owns the other 40%, Andre will be entitled to 60% of the partnership's profits and losses and Jenya will be entitled to 40%. (In addition, state law assumes that each partner's interest in the business is in proportion to the value of his or her initial contribution to the partnership.)
If you'd like to split up profits and losses in a way that is not proportionate to the partners' percentage interests in the business, it's called a "special allocation," and you must carefully follow IRS rules.
Self-Employment Taxes

If you are actively involved in running a partnership, in addition to income taxes, the IRS requires you to pay "self-employment" taxes on all partnership profits allocated to you. Self-employment taxes consist of contributions to the Social Security and Medicare programs, similar to the payroll taxes employees must pay.
There are some differences between the contributions regular employees make and the contributions partners must make. First, because no employer withholds these taxes from partners' paychecks, partners must pay them with their regular income taxes. Also, partners must pay twice as much as regular employees, because employees' contributions are matched by their employers. However, partners can deduct half of their self-employment tax contribution from their taxable income, which lowers their tax bill a bit.
The self-employment tax rate for 2009 is 15.3% of the first $106,800 of income and 2.9% of everything over that amount. Partners report their self-employment taxes on Schedule SE, which they submit annually with their personal income tax returns.
Expenses and Deductions

You may be wondering how you will survive financially, after paying income taxes, Social Security taxes, and Medicare taxes on your share of business income, even if you don't withdraw it from your business. Luckily, you don't have to pay taxes on most of the money your business spends to make a buck.
You and your partners can deduct your legitimate business expenses from your business income, which will greatly lower the profits you have to report to the IRS. Deductible expenses include start-up costs, operating expenses, travel costs, and product and advertising outlays, as well as a portion of the money you spend on business-related meals and entertainment. For information about allowable expenses and deductions, see Nolo's articles Small Business Tax Deductions and Top Tax Deductions For Your Small Business.
Get Expert Help

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If you're confused by partnership taxes, you're not alone. A good way to learn the basics is to read Tax Savvy for Small Business, by Fred Daily (Nolo). Then, plan to get the help you need from a tax adviser who specializes in partnership taxation, to make sure you comply with the complex tax rules that apply to your business and stay on the good side of the IRS.

Incorporating Your Business May Cut Your Tax Bill

Unlike a partnership, a corporation pays its own taxes on all corporate profits left in the business. Owners of corporations pay income taxes only on money they receive as compensation for services (salaries and bonuses) or as dividends.
While many small businesses would rather not file a corporate tax return, incorporating can offer business owners a tax advantage over a partnership's "pass through" taxation. This is especially true for businesses that expect to retain profits in the business from year to year.
If you need to keep profits (called "retained earnings") in your business, you may benefit from lower corporate tax rates, at least for the first $50,000 - $75,000 of profits per year. For example, if your retail outfit needs to stock up on expensive inventory, you might decide to leave $30,000 in your business at the end of a year. If you operate as a partnership, these retained profits will likely be taxed at your marginal individual tax rate, which is probably more than 25%. But if you incorporate, that $30,000 will be taxed at a lower 15% corporate rate. To get a better idea of whether you should incorporate to reduce taxes, see Nolo's article How Corporations Are Taxed.
For a thorough explanation of the legal and practical issues involved in forming a business partnership, see Form a Partnership: The Complete Legal Guide, by Ralph Warner & Denis Clifford (Nolo).
 
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