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Problem with using way too much spot foil on gerber edge

Discussion in 'Gerber Omega, Graphix Advantage & MacImprint' started by budgie, Jun 5, 2009.

  1. budgie

    budgie Guest

    Hi everyone, yes I'm a total newbie to this site and the world of printing. I have a gerber edge printer and a gerber Gs15 plotter. Purchased second hand so I cant get support for it!
    Having a foil print problem. When i print (Im using spot colours) It will print, say black, some of the design but then goes back for a second print to print the rest of the black it missed the first time! This can't be right! I'm using twice as much foil as I need, making it very expensive. My software is omega 1.56. Great site by the way. Any help or suggestions appreaciated. Thanks
  2. omgsideburns

    omgsideburns Very Active Member

    Apr 15, 2008
    It's not the machine. Check you spot assignments. Sometimes when you assign a spot color twice it shows up twice. In composer check 'select spot colors' after you've done your assignments to make sure you color isn't shoing up twice. If it is just select one, change the color, then change it back and that should fix it.
  3. Mike Paul

    Mike Paul Major Contributor

    Dec 30, 2003
    Sounds like you may have two blacks assigned in your design. Spot black and Process Black.
  4. RJPW

    RJPW Major Contributor

    Oct 24, 2007
    If it's going back and re-printing with the same color it's probably because the black isn't combined or you have strokes...?
    If you have black strokes + black print you could always select your strokes > Tools > Expand strokes and it will turn it into an outline which can be combined with the rest of your black shapes.
  5. Dane DeFord

    Dane DeFord Member

    Dec 10, 2004
    I'm gonna have to agree with Mike. Also, it's possible, if you're importing clipart, sometimes the "black" is made up of all the process colors thrown together. Thus requiring you to put the black cartridge in twice. Hope it helps.

    Regards, Dane
  6. Bob Gilliland

    Bob Gilliland Member

    May 23, 2003
    Does any part of your duplicated spot colour have “Overprint” assigned? Standard fill and Overlap print at one heat setting while Overlap prints at an elevated heat. The Edge only allows printing at one heat setting per pass; i.e. – standard fill and overlap will print on the first pass while Overprint assignments will print on the following pass.

    Inside GSPPlot, wireframe view, Red lines reflect a standard print with cuts turned off, Green is standard print with cuts on. If you see Magenta (Overlap) or Blue (Overlap) lines, you have these attributes set from the design. And again, Blue line objects will print at the elevated heat setting.

    While in GSPPlot, press [F11] to display the Print Options dialog. This will also reveal some potential problems coming your way. In the upper right-hand area of the dialog box where foil information is displayed, look for “twice” the amount of foil usage then what you are expecting. Also, look for an “O” on the O-Print column. This also reveals an Overlap or Overprint attribute present for that colour.

    Within Composer, use the Select drop down to select Overprints (Fill, Stroke, or Both) and I believe you will find what is selected is what prints on the second pass of the spot colour foil.
  7. Fred Weiss

    Fred Weiss Merchant Member

    Sep 11, 2003
    Olympia, WA
    In addition to what's been suggested, check also if part of your black has full overprint assigned to the fill and part does not. Full overprint calls for a hotter printhead temperature so it will cause it to print separately.

    To get it to print all in the same pass, either set the overprint to the half full thermometer icon setting (which overprints but does not raise the temperature) of set all the black to full overprint.
  8. Bob Gilliland

    Bob Gilliland Member

    May 23, 2003
    The following post may (or may not) be helpful in illustrating what I perceive happening. Once the theory is grasped, it becomes very, very easy to check your prints before output and also how to work within the parameters of the physical hardware.

    Gerber Edge, possible foil saving tip
  9. budgie

    budgie Guest

    You guys are terrific!! I'm going to check all the suggestions and get back to you. I think its the overprint/overlap heat issue but will check and let you know. I have to say this site and your participation is amazing!!! Thanks to you all, for the time you have taken in considering my problem. Dont be supprised to hear from me on a regular basis, ha ha, you might regret the help youv'e given me.

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