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Question about painting over Aluminum siding..

artistva88

New Member
Hello. I'm an artist, but new to this world. I was hired to paint a business sign for my local gym and was wondering the best way to go about this. I've thought about hand painting and also spraying the paint on as well through stencil. Another thing... what are people charging for something like this? I attached a few pictures of what it currently looks like and what I came up with on the computer as far as size and font. Thanks for any advice
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DL Signs

Never go against the family
Not to be "that guy", but...
One thing everyone will probably want to know before making any recommendations on painting.
Does the gym own, or rent/ lease the space?
If it's rented/ leased I'd start by checking with the owner or property manager to see if they'll even allow it to be painted on, all have have their own guidelines for what they will approve, and 99.9% of the time it needs to be removable. If the gym ever closes, or moves, paint won't just come off for the next tenant like conventional signage, which is why you don't see many hand painted, unless they're on a separate panel from the building face. You don't want something to come back to haunt you if they don't actually own it.
 

artistva88

New Member
Not to be "that guy", but...
One thing everyone will probably want to know before making any recommendations on painting.
Does the gym own, or rent/ lease the space?
If it's rented/ leased I'd start by checking with the owner or property manager to see if they'll even allow it to be painted on, all have have their own guidelines for what they will approve, and 99.9% of the time it needs to be removable. If the gym ever closes, or moves, paint won't just come off for the next tenant like conventional signage, which is why you don't see many hand painted, unless they're on a separate panel from the building face. You don't want something to come back to haunt you if they don't actually own it.
I should have stated that first. Yes, they own the gym and building. Thanks for your reply.
 

artistva88

New Member
$2500 plus rent of lift, painted, layout, pattern. paint, time.
But, I would put Gemini Minnesota letters on the facia Look more professional
What would be the certain paint that I would have to get? I looked into industrial design paint and a few other ones but I'm just not sure how to go about this.
 

DL Signs

Never go against the family
Finishing those panels is a lot like doing automotive painting. The area you plan to paint will need to be sanded for it to stick, architectural coatings are baked on, very tough, formulated to repel dirt, and not real receptive to paints. You'll need to apply a primer (solvent based metal primer is the best), followed by a good quality paint. Acrylic paint (not latex) works, urethane is better, epoxy is best.

Mask so when you sand you're not sanding beyond where paint will be laid, fine sandpaper (320 or finer) to give the new finish something to bite to. You don't want to sand anything outside the area you're painting either, for appearance, and you don't want the original coating to have an area where it will absorb moisture and fail. You'll probably have to re mask depending on what you use (sanding will damage the mask edge and give rough edges, or allow your paint to bleed). Apply primer, when the primer is set, apply at least two coats of paint & remove the masking. Pretty much the same process as painting stripes on a vehicle. If you don't prep it properly, it'll peel. Use a cheap paint and it'll fade & fail quick because there is no shade to protect it from the sun.

For the amount of labor involved, prefab letters or vinyl would be quicker and more economical, and be able to be quickly and easily replaced as they age, rather than going through the process of repainting again. For wood, brick, block, concrete, painting is pretty straightforward, not so much for these specialty coated substrates.

Good luck to you, if you do tackle it, post some pics.
 

bob

It's better to have two hands than one glove.
Sign painting isn't art, it's a learned skill and it takes some years to get it right. If you attempt to paint this you will fail. Even applying vinyl or pre-fab letters requires certain skills that you probably don't have. Either tell them to hire a competent sign company or sub it out yourself.
 

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
Sign painting isn't art, it's a learned skill and it takes some years to get it right. If you attempt to paint this you will fail. Even applying vinyl or pre-fab letters requires certain skills that you probably don't have. Either tell them to hire a competent sign company or sub it out yourself.
Exactly. One of my customers is an artist. She sometimes gets requests for her stuff outdoors and asks me the best way to go about. I put her art on an appropriate sign and everyone is happy.
 

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Johnny Best

Active Member
Sign painting isn't art, it's a learned skill and it takes some years to get it right. If you attempt to paint this you will fail. Even applying vinyl or pre-fab letters requires certain skills that you probably don't have. Either tell them to hire a competent sign company or sub it out yourself.
When Michelangelo painted the frescos on the ceilings of a chapel many years ago, he used patterns to pounced his drawings on the wet plaster so he could paint his drawings. Same procedure as a sign painter uses in his trade. Was his techniques not art? If your putting something out there to be seen by people it seems to me it would be considered art.
 

artistva88

New Member
Sign painting isn't art, it's a learned skill and it takes some years to get it right. If you attempt to paint this you will fail. Even applying vinyl or pre-fab letters requires certain skills that you probably don't have. Either tell them to hire a competent sign company or sub it out yourself.

If I attempt this I'm going to fail ? Lol...
You and I are not the same. Thank you because now I will make sure to post pics. You will not be happy with my results because you're not going to believe that I did it by myself. Thanks, Bob lol
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
I would not consider some letters painted on a wall art, either...... regardless of how you achieve it. My vote would be for dimensional letters. If you cut them out and mount them yourself, I'd consider that art to an extent. Whether you hand letter, sand, stipple, spray or pee on it, you're only identifying the place so UPS and Fed-Ex knows where to deliver things. Why not paint a scene on all the windows and change it up once a year. Now, ya got some art going on and to some extent.... built-in obsolescence.
 
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