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Question about painting over Aluminum siding..

bob

bob

It's better to have two hands than one glove.
Johnny Best said:
When Michelangelo painted the frescos on the ceilings of a chapel many years ago, he used patterns to pounced his drawings on the wet plaster so he could paint his drawings. Same procedure as a sign painter uses in his trade. Was his techniques not art? If your putting something out there to be seen by people it seems to me it would be considered art.
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Pounce patterns are not unique to signs. Simply because pounce patterns are used to layout paintings as well as signs does not mean the results are interchangeable. Hand lettering is a skill, actually a set of skills requiring no artistic ability whatsoever. These skills are completely different from those necessary for painting a landscape or a bowl of oranges or a naked fat lady or whatever. Art isn't signs and signs aren't art.

Apropos of nothing, it's been my experience that anyone that refers to themselves as an 'artist' isn't. People in this world generally refer to themselves by what they do. Painter, sculptor, illustrator, cartoonist, whatever. 'Artist' is much like 'horseman', an honorific title bequeathed by others. To refer to oneself as such requires an oversized and delicate ego.
 
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bob

bob

It's better to have two hands than one glove.
artistva88 said:
If I attempt this I'm going to fail ? Lol...
You and I are not the same. Thank you because now I will make sure to post pics. You will not be happy with my results because you're not going to believe that I did it by myself. Thanks, Bob lol
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I'm sure that you'll manage to get some paint up there, but it most likely won't be a professional looking sign. It'll probably be Yet Another manifestation of what's known in the sign business as 'nephew art'. There will be no doubt that you did it yourself.
 
Gino

Gino

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Hand/eye coordination is needed to be an artist. However, some are far better at it than others.... and the same as a musician can be all book learned and play a concerto and be amazing, but have very little feel for the music, while someone playing by ear can really get down and gritty. This is true in almost any avenue of workmanship, craftsmanship or simply performed with your hands. If ya have tricks of the trade, it doesn't make it any less worthy or good...... ya just found crutches or tools to help ya along. Do you know how they did air brushing just 150 years ago ?? That was art and skill.
 
Notarealsignguy

Notarealsignguy

Arial - it's almost helvetica
I think it was already said but you need to check adhesion. A lot of building panels are coated with Kynar which has teflon in it or SMP which is a silicone modified polyester. Stuff isn't supposed to easily stick to them. I'd use Matthews or Imron semi gloss to paint but you will need to scuff it and a 2 part epoxy primer may help a bit with adhesion. I wouldn't paint it anyways but that has been covered pretty good already.
 
artistva88

artistva88

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bob said:
Pounce patterns are not unique to signs. Simply because pounce patterns are used to layout paintings as well as signs does not mean the results are interchangeable. Hand lettering is a skill, actually a set of skills requiring no artistic ability whatsoever. These skills are completely different from those necessary for painting a landscape or a bowl of oranges or a naked fat lady or whatever. Art isn't signs and signs aren't art.

Apropos of nothing, it's been my experience that anyone that refers to themselves as an 'artist' isn't. People in this world generally refer to themselves by what they do. Painter, sculptor, illustrator, cartoonist, whatever. 'Artist' is much like 'horseman', an honorific title bequeathed by others. To refer to oneself as such requires an oversized and delicate ego.
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Well the fact that
bob said:
I'm sure that you'll manage to get some paint up there, but it most likely won't be a professional looking sign. It'll probably be Yet Another manifestation of what's known in the sign business as 'nephew art'. There will be no doubt that you did it yourself.
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The fact that you're sitting here and saying that I'm not an artist and talking down to me is hilarious. First, I make a living selling my art and known for my realism...I do wall murals as well. ... Which takes a lot of attention to detail. Since you know so much Bob, what would be a good title? I hope you don't have kids because they're probably suicidal dealing with you.
 
bob

bob

It's better to have two hands than one glove.
artistva88 said:
Well the fact that

The fact that you're sitting here and saying that I'm not an artist and talking down to me is hilarious. First, I make a living selling my art and known for my realism...I do wall murals as well. ... Which takes a lot of attention to detail. Since you know so much Bob, what would be a good title? I hope you don't have kids because they're probably suicidal dealing with you.
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The point, which seems to elude you, is that painting a sign differs from painting a picture, mural, or your toenails, not in degree but in kind. There is little to nothing in your experience painting 'art' that will be useful to you in an attempt to paint a sign. I speak from well over six decades of experience doing both paintings and signs. The only commonality is that both use brushes and paint. Albeit not the same brushes nor the same paint.

It's also been my experience that it's those with no argument that resort to insults.
 
Gino

Gino

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Artistva........ Do you know what kinda brushes to use on that particular material ?? There are brushes made for hand lettering for various surfaces. Vehicles is gonna be different from shocard, to block walls, to these panels. You'll hafta do some homework and test various paints, then when you figure that out, you need to either guess what kinda brushes or ask here, after the wall texture and type is determined..... and you're sure of it. This ain't gonna be like painting a mural. Whether you paint by grid or pattern, you'll need to try to cover in one coat..... or at least try to.... or it will fade out of wear off in a jiffy. Paints years ago could go 15 or 20 years and look good almst the whole time. Just about any paint, other than automotive will barely last 4 years, so if you're gonna just do a 2D sign, why not just make it die-cut vinyl which could last 9 or 10 years and be a whole heap easier to put on and much cheaper.

Just because you're an arteest, does not mean you must hand paint it. Your first obligation is to give the customer your very best and hand painting is not the answer, especially if this is a friend.
 
Boudica

Boudica

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