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Reflective on Reflective or No?

Discussion in 'General Signmaking Topics' started by LoGl, May 13, 2013.

  1. LoGl

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    Hi all....didn't really get an answer so thought I would re-phrase the question.

    I am making a sign 24"h x 10'w. Background will be reflective (yellow). If I make the letters(black) and also reflective...will it read clearly? OR....do you think that if it were just black regular 2 mil vinyl black, it will still read correctly (at night of course).

    I haven't worked with reflective too much in a long while and have a project to do. I thought SOMEONE must have had this experience.

    Thanks for any input on Reflectivity!

    :)
     

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  2. LoGl

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    oh...and I've attached sketch because it will be as simple as you see...two lines of type...bold. That's it.
     
  3. John Butto

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    #1. take a piece of yellow reflective and put a black piece of vinyl on, #2. go outside tonight and shine a light on it #3. tell us about your findings tomorrow morning
     
  4. LoGl

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    sure...great in theory....but I don't keep it in stock as I don't use it too often. Typically only buy what I need - pricey to have laying around.

    But sure...thanks.
     
  5. John Butto

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    #4. take a piece of black vinyl and stick it on a yellow reflective traffic sign that happens to be a free test sample
     
  6. d fleming

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    Reg Black.
     
  7. Gino

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    Well, there goes my request for him to take pictures of his little experiment so he could post it and become a real hero in these parts.


    I'd use a regular yellow background and black reflective for letters. Why do you want to make a background light up and overpower your important words ?? Using reflective for the letters makes them quickly become the focal point at night time and much easier to read at the same time.
     
  8. John Butto

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    The guy is going to ask you how to take a picture at night next Gino and if anyone could tell him how to do it.
     
  9. LoGl

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    Wow. this used to be a friendly place. You old miserable bastards ought to do something fun sometime. The rest of us will all just sit back and try to milk you for answers to oh-so-important big life issues like making signs while we pretend to do our jobs.


    If this is the general tone on Signs 101 these days....why would anyone who happens to be inexperienced even want to post? And you know nothing about me or what I've done or how long I've been doing this. Cause this "guy" is a real idiot don't you know?
     
  10. LoGl

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    Thank you to the others who have answered without demeaning.:smile:
     
  11. TammieH

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    Doesn't matter really, you can just do black vinyl on reflective yellow or Reflective black on reflective yellow, give the customer options with prices.
    Use Oralite Engineer grade on flat signs
     
  12. Jillbeans

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    I'd use regular black.
    Black reflective isn't a nice pure black, kinda has a greyish look.
    As long as the yellow part is reflective I think you're good to go.
    Love....Jill
     
  13. J Hill Designs

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    ...unless its a banner :ROFLMAO:
     
  14. CP Signs

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    Not sure if you have the equipment to do so, but I would print the black on yellow reflective.
     
  15. LoGl

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    Funny bunch you all are. (FYI - no longer a banner)

    Jill...yes...I'm thinking along same lines as you. Its one of those things that customer is sort
    of trying to insist on....I believe that the black reg stuff will work fine...but if it doesn't read well
    I'm going to hear about it....and he's sort of an acquaintance, so am just trying to do due diligence
    by posting here. I would think more had used reflective vinyl and would have solid advice...seems like
    most answers are just opinions such as my own.

    Again...I thank you for your input, it is much appreciated.
     
  16. Caitlin

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    I would print black to reflective yellow as well... if you are able. I have never had an issue printing to reflective but we run thermal transfer. Otherwise I would say regular black cut on reflective yellow.
     
  17. LoGl

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    I do have the capability but I didn't think that colored reflective was printable. Also wanted a nice solid black punch to it, I feel like when I've printed on reflective before it isn't quite as solid as I'd like it. Perhaps it was the profile used, not sure.
     
  18. vid

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    I vote for opaque black.


    :help Yellow and White? That isn't going to offer much contrast. Likewise, the funkiness of the reflective black as it transitions from black to white is going to mess with the eyes depending on the angle of light as one passes. I'd think this would make it more difficult to focus on the message.



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    What is an appropriate use of reflective black on a sign? Honestly, I have no clue.

    The only application I can think of is post marking in a traffic area. For example, marking the edge of a long drive with white posts and having a band of black reflective at headlight height. During the day, the black offers contrast to the post, while during the evening, it calls attention to the post as a warning to the drive's edge.​
     
  19. d fleming

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    I've done more 4x4 highway signs than I care to remember. Uneven Pavement, Flagman ahead, etc. All done with background reflective and black cut vinyl letters and graphic. With the exception of the many I have screen printed when the run was large enough to call for it.
     
  20. LoGl

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    :software

    I have to agree. I don't see much use for it either and I feel like it would effectively "reflect" and essentially "white out" therefore losing the message. ​
     
  21. LoGl

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    Thanks for adding to this conversation. You were who I had hoped would answer. Kindly appreciated!
     
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