Regulations on wraps

[Craig Sjoquist]

This came up in Orange county ... because a Realtor /developers park 53 ft tailors out in the field & help sell homes etc....well they stayed it was to long on a bunch so ..rules

Now a customer had letter his box truck full color after the 3rd change county comes by during busy times weekend .. issues fines, forces moving in back, ... Even though moved every few days...
but just them not the other trucks & small trailers being used for advertising only within visual sighting
It's a pick & choose enforcement simple as that ,once lettered a Tattoo shop ... city claimed it was ..one inch to tall a year later

 

[onesource]

If you have a license you have asked the state for permission to do business and are subject to their crap (the unreasonable junk taxing and regulations), but it doesn't mean you can't push back.

 

[mark galoob]

im in a small town also, and the local yokal code enforcement person loves to assert power...last time she messed w/ me, i called my attorny and paid him to make a couple of phone calls to city attourny...hmmm...

that was last yr and i still havnt heard back from the code enforcement on the issue...

my advise...dont talk to those idiots, call your attorny and let them do the talking...

mark galoob

 

[MikePro]

I agree with regulating long-term parking as a means to thwart those finding a loophole around taking the proper steps of acquiring an actual permanent sign for their business. But if you start feeling the pinch from not being allowed to have a proper business vehicle, then FIGHT THE POWER! If unwilling to pay for a lawyer, give it to the law school students to ruin the days of the people ruining yours.

nobody ever wants to give away free advertising space... even if it is your own car.

 

[kstompaint]

I agree with regulating long-term parking as a means to thwart those finding a loophole around taking the proper steps of acquiring an actual permanent sign for their business.

What if The Man simply will not let you have a proper permanent sign? If it's my property (or I lease it) and it's my truck, how can anybody legitimately argue that they should have more control over it than me? It's absurd.

 

[onesource]

You can thank Woodrow and the 1913 fed reserve act for that, that's about the time it started.if your paying land taxes you're just a glorified renter...hacks you off to have property and find out you really don't own it. color of law crap. Reclaim your right and patent your land, just make sure that's where you're going to live for a long time. As far as leasing goes, well you're not the owner of that one.

What if The Man simply will not let you have a proper permanent sign? If it's my property (or I lease it) and it's my truck, how can anybody legitimately argue that they should have more control over it than me? It's absurd.

 

[kstompaint]

As far as leasing goes, well you're not the owner of that one.

If the owner of leased land permits the renter to park a wrapped truck outside (or install a sign for that matter), it's really not the concern of anybody else. The owner of private property should be in control of it. Period.

Even on public property, any parking regulations should be equally enforced on vehicles regardless of advertisement or lack thereof.

 

[Mosh]

We have wraped about ten cars for a local strip club. These guys buy the oldest, junkiest, cheapest cars, get a $99 paint job on them and have me wrap them adversiving the strip club. Then they park these damn things all over town, as long as they are parked legaly and the meter is fed the City can't do anything. People in town are up in arms about this.

 

[onesource]

You would think that and that's the way it should be, but if the owner of said land is paying taxes or has a license he/she is subject to their crap, even if the owner permits something the city cronies can enforce their regulations/threat. Down here the goons will close down the business or not let you open until the matter is resolved. What gets under my skin is when they try to enforce matter they don't have ordinances on. They make the rules as they go and we're supposed to say ok...not. Read all their ordinances to see what's going on and find out the boundaries they enforce, You might find out you're several inches out of their jurisdiction, you'll have to know their rules better than them to push back.

As far as vehicles goes the state owns your vehicle you only have a certificate of title/birth cert. the original went to the state so the state owns it and this is how I think these crooks put ordinances on vehicles

If the owner of leased land permits the renter to park a wrapped truck outside (or install a sign for that matter), it's really not the concern of anybody else. The owner of private property should be in control of it. Period.

Even on public property, any parking regulations should be equally enforced on vehicles regardless of advertisement or lack thereof.

 

[Gino]

Wait a minute folks........ Mpshputz brings up a point indirectly of how this stuff could affect you or anyone else.

There are rules and laws in almost every city, town or borough that explicitly forbids adult book stores, movies or any other perverted things within a certain distance of any school.

Based on what the majority of you are saying.... if an owner gives a strip joint the authority to advertise in the wrong area..... who pays the fine and goes to jail ??

One has to be aware of the consequences going both ways. Sure, if something is harmless, you might be able to get away with breaking laws, but if someone wants to think beyond the box... which is something we all preach about.... who gets in trouble ?? I've seen posts here with pictures that many of you find Okay and others think it was tasteless advertising. Where or when do these images cross the line ??

So by your standards.... if you can wrap a truck with girls in practically no clothing and make all kinds of insensitive, cheap remarks and park this thing in front of your son/daughter's grade school is Okay, then you're one sick pup.

 

[onesource]

Good point on a moral issue concerning sexually explicit stuff and verbage on a vehicle or other signage but that will also fall under a state law and hopefully most business owners have a little morality but if graphics have some kinda clothing covering the cha cha and coconuts then it's not much different than the beach or local swimming pool.
But I think the subject matter is directed more toward your basic advertising which has no moral issues other than the local g'mnt's motive for another tax which will starts with enforcement and passing a new ordinance. We can't do anything about nasty music bangin down the street while our kids are in the car but it usually goes away while we bi$#ch about it and he might have a fine imposed upon him if he gets caught and he can also turn the radio off but you can't hide a nasty wrap going down the street. So as long as the owner has a license he/she can be forced to comply on most matters. I am referring to drivers and business license. All business owners should stand and fight back on unreasonable junk taxes and ordinances.

Wait a minute folks........ Mpshputz brings up a point indirectly of how this stuff could affect you or anyone else.

There are rules and laws in almost every city, town or borough that explicitly forbids adult book stores, movies or any other perverted things within a certain distance of any school.

Based on what the majority of you are saying.... if an owner gives a strip joint the authority to advertise in the wrong area..... who pays the fine and goes to jail ??

One has to be aware of the consequences going both ways. Sure, if something is harmless, you might be able to get away with breaking laws, but if someone wants to think beyond the box... which is something we all preach about.... who gets in trouble ?? I've seen posts here with pictures that many of you find Okay and others think it was tasteless advertising. Where or when do these images cross the line ??

So by your standards.... if you can wrap a truck with girls in practically no clothing and make all kinds of insensitive, cheap remarks and park this thing in front of your son/daughter's grade school is Okay, then you're one sick pup.

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

Our city already has regulations concerning wraps. This is from our city sign code under prohibited signs:

(20) Vehicle signs with a total sign area on any vehicle in excess of ten square feet,
when the vehicle:
a. Is parked for more than 60 consecutive minutes within 100 feet of any street right-ofway;
b. Is visible from the street right-of-way and is within 100 feet of such right-of-way; and
c. Is not regularly used in the conduct of the business advertised on the vehicle. A
vehicle used primarily for advertising, or for the purpose of providing transportation for
owners or employees of the occupancy advertised on the vehicle, shall not be considered
a vehicle used in the conduct of the business.

They have already stoped one of my customers from wraping his vehicle.

a.) "60 consecutive minutes.." so you can't take it to the movies, restaurant, ballgame, courthouse, dmv, etc? Try enforcing that one.
b.) Do they Define "regularly used"? Once a day...once a week, hour?
c.) So is doing sales trips considered only transporting employees or would'nt that be "conducting business"? What if it's used to transport employees from home to a ballgame to do a quote...is THAT allowed?
Basically...this is a bunch of 8u!!$#!†

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

Finishline Signs, that's interesting.

A clear reading of that should not preclude anyone from wrapping.

The weasel clause at the end just about covers it. Seems like the ordinance is aimed at someone who buys an old box truck, slaps ad graphics on it and leaves it parked 24/7/365. Folks do that when they have exhausted their alloted building sq. footage and/or where all their signage is flat against the bldg. and is parallel to traffic and not noticeable until a dead-on approach.

I doubt that the political subdivision could preclude a business owner from parking their own vehicle, wrapped or not, from in front of their establishment. And what of customers who have wrapped vehicles who linger longer than 60 minutes?

I suspect that ain't going to fly for long.

Did your C of C weigh in on the issue yet?

And did you have a chat with city attorney as to exactly what that ordinance means and is intended for? Go to the source and bypass the code enforcement folks as they rarely get it correct....lol.

Actually it's a little tricky. The end of that basically says...if you use it for transportation..it's NOT considered a "vehicle used in the conduct of business". So basically if it's a technician service van with graphics...for plumbing or cable..then it's ok. But if it's just for transportation...it's not.

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

Wait a minute folks........ Mpshputz brings up a point indirectly of how this stuff could affect you or anyone else.

There are rules and laws in almost every city, town or borough that explicitly forbids adult book stores, movies or any other perverted things within a certain distance of any school.

Based on what the majority of you are saying.... if an owner gives a strip joint the authority to advertise in the wrong area..... who pays the fine and goes to jail ??

One has to be aware of the consequences going both ways. Sure, if something is harmless, you might be able to get away with breaking laws, but if someone wants to think beyond the box... which is something we all preach about.... who gets in trouble ?? I've seen posts here with pictures that many of you find Okay and others think it was tasteless advertising. Where or when do these images cross the line ??

So by your standards.... if you can wrap a truck with girls in practically no clothing and make all kinds of insensitive, cheap remarks and park this thing in front of your son/daughter's grade school is Okay, then you're one sick pup.

Things have changed. Bathing suits and evening wear are not only more risque'e but more acceptable in plain site during broad daylight. 30 years ago...half naked women on ads in public wouldn't fly with the "local populace", therefore bringing shame, boycotting, legal action and ultimately closing for the business that tried that crap. But now..it's so acceptable...you'd probably be hard pressed to win a court battle for parking a van in front of a school brandishing scantily clad women, all in the name of free speach. There's always gonna be that grey area.