S80600L Help!

[SignZoo]

I am running several Surecolor S80600L printers (with the red and orange). I'm using 180cv3 with the heater settings at 105/100/131 with a .8 second additional dry time per pass. Our installers are complaining of what seems to be oversaturation and "gummy" feeling to the prints. I let the rolls off-gas for at least 24 hours, if not over the weekend, and still the same issue. The rolls are open when off-gassing and I've resorted to having fans blowing air over them but again, same issue. I've had 3M help me create profiles other than the canned ones and still the same result. We've used 180cv3 for 20 years and besides the material defects at the end of last year, we hadn't had issues. What could I be doing wrong? Anyone else having this issue?

I've also tried Avery 1105 but the prints seem to not dry in time when being rolled on the take up reel. I haven't run them on the heater setting I have now so I'll see if that helps. (I was using 121/104/113) like I was using on the Oki printers we had.

 

[unclebun]

I use an S80600. I use Avery 1105 and have not had any trouble with the ink not drying. I don't use any delay. I don't think the ink will dry when rolled on the takeup reel. But it does dry when I remove it from the takeup roll and stand on end loosely rolled. Prints that fit on the table or floor dry in 3 hours as advertised. Your installers, however, shouldn't be feeling the ink at all as you should be laminating the print before installing.

 

[SignZoo]

What are your heaters set at? I did a run today on the 1105 with the new heater setting and it seems to be fine.

 

[unclebun]

We're using the Avery Approved profile. It uses 104/104/122.

 

[SignZoo]

Thank you for your reply on the Avery. I've been in the wrap industry for a long time, running different printers over the years and this baffles me to no end why the 180cv3 is as hard to work with when we are following all the processes and procedures for these printers.

 

[unclebun]

I know that 3M historically invented a lot of the vinyl products we use. But in my experience, the 3M products have been inferior, whether cut vinyl 30 years ago and now, or print media. Especially their calendared materials.

 

[MelloImagingTechnologies]

Try running in higher passes, say 12 pass to give it more time on the dryer. You can also do this by changing to Uni printing.
Last, put a fan in front of it to help blow it dry!
Bruce

 

[White Haus]

Try running in higher passes, say 12 pass to give it more time on the dryer. You can also do this by changing to Uni printing.
Last, put a fan in front of it to help blow it dry!
Bruce

Yes, the OP didn't mention which profiles/passes was being used. Assuming you're having to use inter-pass delay and your prints are still gummy, I'd say increasing passes/slowing down the ink laydown should help.

We have a fan blowing across the takeup area on our S60600 and loosely roll our prints over a dryer/fan set up for 24-48 hours on heavy coverage.

I don't know how they can get away with claiming fast lamination times on those units, it lays down so much ink so quickly that it definitely needs some time to completely off-gas on heavy/dark coverage prints.