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sign permits

Signed Out

New Member
Wondering what people are charging for obtaing sign permits for customers. In my town the process is to draw plans to scale, prove you have adequate insurance and that you can do the job and the job will be done to code. Haven't had to obtain any permits yet so any insight into the process would be helpful. Right now i have $325 penciled into my bid for obtaining the permits. also this job is puting a illuminated pan face sign in a plaza where there has been a sign like this before and every store in the plaza has one so i don't think it should be too hard to get. Thanks
 

CanuckSigns

Active Member
It's hard to guess how long to process is untill you try to get a permit. some areas are a breeze, some areas (like mine) can take upwards of 6-8 weeks.

it all depends on how on the ball your city's permit department is.
 

Bigdawg

Just Me
Wondering what people are charging for obtaing sign permits for customers. In my town the process is to draw plans to scale, prove you have adequate insurance and that you can do the job and the job will be done to code. Haven't had to obtain any permits yet so any insight into the process would be helpful. Right now i have $325 penciled into my bid for obtaining the permits. also this job is puting a illuminated pan face sign in a plaza where there has been a sign like this before and every store in the plaza has one so i don't think it should be too hard to get. Thanks

Simple permits (EVERYTHING here requires a permit - even a simple face change) are $175 plus permit cost... the highest I think I've charged is $550
 

Signed Out

New Member
Thanks for the input. the code department says it will take 5-7 business days. Maybe I should revise to $150 + cost of permit
 

signage

New Member
It all depend what is required by the area. Charge for your time at least! When drawing are required charge for them also, what if they need stamped, charge for that also. So it is hard to put a price on it!
 

petesign

New Member
Wow, permits here are only 60 bucks.... and I hate them for that..

You can go online and pull your city regulations 99% of the time, and it's a good idea to get to know your inspector. I can call ours on the phone and they will tell me if it will pass, or if we can get a variance based on hardships like being down low or set too far off the road. Just be careful not to get on their bad side, or they can really make your life a living hell.

good luck!
 

iSign

New Member
first off, your invoice should be charging for "Permit APPLICATION"...

YOU DON'T SELL SIGN PERMITS...So it's good to get that clear in the clients mind from the start. There are also exceptions to a rule, or other variances, or boundary lines you may not always know about.. so, you don't want to run into major roadblocks to getting a permit, that your client thinks is all your problem for $325

I charge $300 plus cost of permit ($55) but if it doesn't pass, requires more leg work, or a design revision, that may result in more costs to the client.

I let them know at design stage too, that if we are seeking a permit, I will design within anticipated ordinance requirements, but the true test of a project being compliant is out of my hands, and without consulting a lawyer to untangle our lengthy and incohesive ordinance, I can never guarantee a permit, only a properly filled out application.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
We just charge for the permit itself, plus charge an hourly amount which is quoted as 'Obtaining Permits... $85 an hour + materials and keep tabs on it.

As watsons mentioned, you can have one take no time at all, or one that involves going through historical hearings or variance proceedings. It never goes the same and when you work in different municipalities, it can vary some more. In our small town, they have several sign ordinances based upon which block you on, which district or what side of the street you're on.

We just had one, where I verbally called the codes department and told them what we were going to submit for a set of channel letters and they gave me a verbal Okay and said to go ahead and make the plans and send them in.

I gave the customer the parameters and we finalized a drawing he liked and we submitted the drawing. No one ever got back to us. The customer complained and I called again and the codes people said, sure.... no problem, when we get it we'll process it. Still no answer. This went on for a month or two. My customer was irate and for due reason. I called the codes people again and asked to speak to a supervisor or whatever it took to get the job done.... once and for all.

Well, they told me they haven't done anything because this business doesn't exist in their records and then asked me all kinds of questions to which I finally said, I'll have to get back to you with my answers. I called the guy back and said.... hey Johnny.... are you doing business in Muhlenberg or Reading ?? Your new store is in Reading, but they have no record of you even being in that store. The guy said something like :Oops: and he'd call me back.

Turned out, they weren't registered there at all and were operating 100% illegally. They figured since they opened a store a mile away from their old one everything would fly just dandy.

It took them three more months until I could go on. Now, we're so swamped, I can't get the job done in the time-frame he wants. He wants us to drop everything, since this took so long. I told him he racked up $750 in permitting fees and I need that to go any further. Now he's ranting and raging how I'm raking him over the coals and I stopped him and said... Look, I got your deposit and its non-refundable. I wasn't the dolt that didn't know how to file my business in a legal manner in the right town. I don't need the permit, so tell me what you want to do. I'll get them up sometime late September, but not before you give me the $750.

Then he said, send this drawing over to my landlord and make sure they'll allow it. Okay, but that will now be $795, before I send it over. Come on over and give me cash and I'll do it yet this afternoon.

I just got an e-mail thank you from him and he's sending someone over later today or tomorrow morning.


So you see, all kinds of things can go wrong and why should you be out the time and the money for their stupid butt mistakes.

Up front, put it in writing that they are fully responsible for those costs at the start of pulling the permit. Then nothing can come back to bite you in the butt later on.
 

Marlene

New Member
we have an hourly rate with a minimum charge plus don't forget to have a night time fee as some of planning meetings need to attended and they are usually at night. not sure about you over in the next state but pretty much, that is what we have to deal with.
 

Mosh

New Member
I make the customer get it, if they don't think they need one, then I guess I am breaking the law. Never got in trouble for it in 20+ years so no plans to change. BUT we are in a small town of 7,000.....
 

CentralSigns

New Member
We let the customer deal with the permit. Ultimately it is his a$$ that gets fined if something is wrong or interpreted wrong. Be careful of the liabilities, if a codes officer interprets the sign type, installation or location wrong. Then another city idiot from the same dept goes after you for the job. It could be your but in court if things go wrong, and believe me, sometimes although rare, they do
 

ChicagoGraphics

New Member
In Chicago you need to have at least a million dollar insurance policy to get a sign permit.
I do know the city here charges by the sq.ft. A customer of mine had a 3'x4' permanent banner on his wall the city wanted 1500.00 per year, he tore it down.
 

Mosh

New Member
Our little town thinks they are a big city, when I started permits were $12.50 and now it is per sq foot, a 4x8 is like $75....back lit stuff is $200-$300...
 

Billct2

Active Member
Time + costs.
We have towns that require an engineer's stamped drawing for ANY sign.
That means a $500 wall sign could cost $1000+ in permit fees.
 

Signed Out

New Member
Thanks everyone, realy good information. Think I have a better idea of what should be involved and how to approach it.
 

Rick

Certified Enneadecagon Designer
To design a sign in most places in California you have to get the code and usually the approved sign criteria before you even design.

once signed off by the client.. then

+Cost of permit
+hourly rate to obtain permit.
+hourly for drawings/submittals
---A submittal usually contains:
---A site map and sometimes set backs and sight triangles.
---Notations from the sign criteria.
---Elevation and side drawing to scale
---Mechanical detail drawings
---If required... Engineering.
+submittals to property owner prior to submitting for permit.
+if illuminated you need to submit an electrical power usage form.
+Have to have a contractors license for anything over 500 bucks
+You usually have to purchase a city business license where you are pulling the permit from.

I think that's it....
 

CanuckSigns

Active Member
To design a sign in most places in California you have to get the code and usually the approved sign criteria before you even design.

once signed off by the client.. then

+Cost of permit
+hourly rate to obtain permit.
+hourly for drawings/submittals
---A submittal usually contains:
---A site map and sometimes set backs and sight triangles.
---Notations from the sign criteria.
---Elevation and side drawing to scale
---Mechanical detail drawings
---If required... Engineering.
+submittals to property owner prior to submitting for permit.
+if illuminated you need to submit an electrical power usage form.
+Have to have a contractors license for anything over 500 bucks
+You usually have to purchase a city business license where you are pulling the permit from.

I think that's it....

California sounds like a horrible place to do business! Good thing you have sun and bikinis!
 
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