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[Signed Out]

ok i worded that poorley.

Everyone who has posted in this thread are the "more expierenced" people I was reffering to. More expierenced then me. And your expierence is invaluable to me through this site.

What I meant to say is that I was hoping more experienced people here were going to tell me that the way I wanted to do this job was acceptable.

And I keep going back to the coro idea because I pretty much butchered this thread and didn't describe everything up front. And haven't gooten much response as to why the coro won't work. I attribut that to my butchering of the thread and not giving all inof up front.

I truly do value all of your expierence and your willingness to share. Just felt that my question wasn't getting answered, and that is probably because my info was hard to follow.

Like I said I am considering the banner bag, but would also like to know if and why the coro idea might fail.

Sorry if I offended anybody.

 

[Gino]

You didn't word anything wrong. You just are waiting for someone to say... 'do it your way', when any experienced person screwing into poly faces with a second face substrate regardless of how light weight knows you shouldn't do it from a professional standpoint, insurance violations and probably not pass any codes... especially in New York, where you're from.

You want reasons why not to do a hack job. Because we named so many other ways to do it and you have reasons why you don't want to. They're too expensive, too hard, too many things in the way, too cold, too.... too.... too.

If ya can't do it right, ya just wanna ruin everything in your path ??

Sure, your way will work, but nobody would ever recommend it, because it has flaws.... like it won't be good.

Let me ask you this..... the sole on your shoe falls off [for whatever reason]..... do you chew on some gum and stick it fast....... take it to the neighborhood cobbler or just go buy a new pair ??

First, you must weigh out in your mind.... if they are indeed worth fixing. If not, toss them and get a new pair. Ah, but I don't have enough money, so I'll repair them. Well, the cobbler is on the other side of town, I'll have to wait til he can fit them into his schedule and it's gonna cost more than I'd like to pay, also. I can buy a pack of gum for 25¢ and get some enjoyment out of it and then stick it all back together with gum and it will stick. It's only temporary, so I should be able to wear them for another year or so. Maybe I'll put a few screws through it to make sure. I'll try to miss my toes.

Sound familiar ??

 

[Signed Out]

Gino, please don't take this the wrong way. Besides probable insurance and code violations, What flawes does the idea have, and what just won't look good? So you know, I just talked to the customer again and we are going to do the banner bag. But I am still curious as to why the other way might have failed, I gotta learn ya know. I'll ask again, would you suspect that the poly would crack around the screws or from drilling? Or are you more concerned that grommeted coro or banner would rip or tear from the screws.

 

[Billct2]

Now you're making it sound like this is a permanent solution.

 

[Signed Out]

This is not a permanent sign. It is temporary.

 

[Gino]

There's nothing to take the wrong way. You wanna learn and there are no bad questions.... just dumb looks and answers.

Yes to all of your questions. You can probably drill holes into the poly without breaking it, but how long will it take to break out further ?? Remember, poly is strong and rather resilient to breakage, but you yourself said all four corners are already broken, so this stuff does break.

First, the CorX is a poor choice to put out no matter what the customer asks for. Now you have to securely get that CorX to not move or it will work it's way loose when wind blows, ice freezes on it and when things flex from unknowns. As the Cor-X starts coming loose, it can cause other things to start moving, so if your screws are in real tight, maybe not for long. Then the face might start to pop and twist with the wind and now you have something attached to it which is pulling on it purposely because YOU screwed it fast. You are setting yourself up to ruin this face by fastening it tight as you can all over the place.

Will it come loose ?? Who knows, but the properties of everything are against you. Do you want to be the first person that has a sign last in this manner, tell someone else it will work when yours lasted 2 months and the next guy's is gonna turn into 18 months ?? It''ll be your fault for telling someone to do something reasonably known to be foolish as gospel.

Your way could work, but I know I wouldn't want to be the guy open for ridicule and pay costs for damages done to things as this face might break, explode and cause automobile damage, hit somebody in the face or even worse. Being a professional, you can't just take the easy/cheap way out because it sounds good. You have to know or it could cost you everything. You wanna go around with someone's injuries on your mind ?? Let the hacks do it wrong and you take the high road by staying away from doing silly jobs.

And yes, a little wind could easily tear a few grommets loose causing this whole idea of yours to also fail.


I just would not fasten anything to the faces at all. Either screw into the can itself or tie it down completely to the can, but nothing with the face.

 

[PrintzandPatternz]

The coro would tear. The polycarb is brittle to begin with and running a screw in it if you happened to get one in without splitting the poly carb would tear back out. Also with coro up here and snow and ice the water will freeze down in the flutes and has a good chance of splitting the coro. The box doesnt look salvagable in the first place to be used by the next tenant so taking it down now off the bat might be the easiest thing and hang a banner between the poles.

 

[Signed Out]

Thank you Gino and everyone else who posted. This is good advice and im taking it. I'll try to be more clear in the future.

 

[MikePro]

if it was lexan, i'd say its ok to screw into the face with self-tappers.
however, the snapped-off pieces makes me believe it is an acrylic/plexi which will most likely crack/shatter.

+1 banner bag it.

 

[Signed Out]

The sign is being replaced probably in a couple months when they have tenants. Not by us though, we're subbing it out.

 

[Moze]

Sounds like you've got the info you need. Just thought I'd clarify the banner bag (or commonly called "toaster cover") method of covering a sign cabinet. Having a banner sewn similar to a toaster cover (with grommets at the bottom) enables you to just slide it over the top and tie it together at the bottom.

 

[wes70]

vhb the coro to the face or make a banner and screw it to the retainers.Trying to put screws into acrylic is a no no.

 

[Signed Out]

Couple questions about the banner bag.

The upholstery shop who will be sewing the banners together wants the 2 banner faces and and 1 piece that will be the top and sides, so they will be sewing 3 pieces together. They said to add 3/4" for sewing.

How tight of a fit do you typically try to achieve? If the overall dimmensions are 122"x63.5"x10" how much should I add to the dimensions for a nice fit?

Is 13 oz. banner the right weight?

 

[Gino]

We used 180z. I really don't know if it will matter for a few months. However, if they don't rent the space out for 15 months, you might be a little safer with heavier weight.

The sample I posted was supposed to be up for 6 months.... you can see by the date on the insert, it's going on 2 years now.

When you're completely bagging it, I think you can be a little extra generous with your measurements as it will be hard for the whole thing to just slip off. With the one we made, it was far easier to instal with the sides open. I rolled it up in half from both bottom sides into the middle. Laid it on top of the sign and it just draped down both sides. Came back and tied off both sides and then across the bottom. With a complete bag, you have to get well above the sign so you can slide it down evenly, unless the upholstery shop doesn't sew some of the edges closed and puts grommets for you to still tie it off.

 

[Signed Out]

Got the banner bag up today. We left the left side open from half way down with grommets to make it easier to slip on. Stuck a couple 2x4's inside the banner bag to help get it up and over the top. Wasn't a fun job but got it done. Hopping that most of the creases fall out, but overall happy with the outcome.

 

[Gino]

Turned out great. I don't think I realized it was so close to the ground based on the first photo. Guess the angle fooled me.

How long did it take you ??

 

[Signed Out]

Thanks. Took about 45 min. to install. Biggest pain for us was putting the vinyl to the banner. Since we already had printed and taped vinyl to overlay on the sign originally, we used that on the banner. Upholstery shop suggested to put the vinyl on after they sewed it becasue they would be turning it inside out and didn't want to hurt the vinyl. Since it wasn't laminated we didn't want to chance that. Laying the vinyl on the banner bag was a challenge becasue all the creases and whatnot trying to get it to lay flat. But in the end we just had to take our time.

 

[geb]

You guys did a good job, and it catches the eye.

George